I think I bought a day or so before you and mine isn't going to be here until the morning! Dang it!Originally Posted by schpenxel
I think I bought a day or so before you and mine isn't going to be here until the morning! Dang it!
I ordered mine in the last week of May and still don't have it. I heard AEM sucks as a company, guess it's true considering others are getting theirs.
I have heard the same and always avoided their products. Figured I'd give this one a shot
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Nice thread, once past character attacks (I hope it stays that way).
The Ballenger Motorsports AFR500v2 is indeed now available here and through HP Tuners directly!
Summary of Changes for the AFR500v2:
- Lambda Display Option
- Wide Range Option
0.411-1.373 Lambda6-20 Gas AFR2.66-8.88 Methanol AFR- Bosch LSU 4.9 Option
- Methanol Display Option
- Faster analog output
- All harnesses, control units, accessories, etc (except the LSU 4.9) are backwards and forwards compatible
- Options are selectable at any time
We plan to release a product that works with the AFX/AFR500/AFR500v2 such that it provides CAN support for integration with systems like the HP Tuners. We tentatively plan to offer pressure compensation as an option and may offer temperature compensation in this CAN module. This is planned for 2017.
Our experience and many customer's experience with the LSU 4.2 & 4.9 sensors for leaded, exotic, & high EGT fuels is poor. The NTK sensors are more tolerant of high EGTs, rapid EGT variation, & contaminants (such as lead). The result is that each sensor has its use and place. Fortunately, the AFR500v2 can control the 4.2, 4.9, and the majority of the NTK sensors (LHA, LZA, 4mA, 6mA, L1H1, L2H2, lab grade, etc). Notably, the AFR500v2 output is FAST with all sensors.
We are pushing development forward and made some MAJOR leaps with the AFR500v2, working closely with ECM. We also like and sell the AEM X-Series sensors on our website. AEM has come a long way from melting the gauge plastic from overheating heater circuit drivers in the gauge enclosure many years ago. These new products are making tuning easier and better for everyone. The biggest issues I see today are tuners who leave sensors unplugged, tuners who don't baseline their engines before shoving sensors in, and tuners who treat any one input / variable as gospel.
The AFX/AFR500/AFR500v2 does offer specific voltage test points during boot-up to perform any offset corrections which, as pointed out earlier in this thread, is often overlooked. You do want to make sure the sensor is properly calibrated.
Just curious as to what you meant by this one?Nice thread, once past character attacks (I hope it stays that way).
The Ballenger Motorsports AFR500v2 is indeed now available here and through HP Tuners directly!
Summary of Changes for the AFR500v2:
- Lambda Display Option
- Wide Range Option
0.411-1.373 Lambda6-20 Gas AFR2.66-8.88 Methanol AFR- Bosch LSU 4.9 Option
- Methanol Display Option
- Faster analog output
- All harnesses, control units, accessories, etc (except the LSU 4.9) are backwards and forwards compatible
- Options are selectable at any time
We plan to release a product that works with the AFX/AFR500/AFR500v2 such that it provides CAN support for integration with systems like the HP Tuners. We tentatively plan to offer pressure compensation as an option and may offer temperature compensation in this CAN module. This is planned for 2017.
Our experience and many customer's experience with the LSU 4.2 & 4.9 sensors for leaded, exotic, & high EGT fuels is poor. The NTK sensors are more tolerant of high EGTs, rapid EGT variation, & contaminants (such as lead). The result is that each sensor has its use and place. Fortunately, the AFR500v2 can control the 4.2, 4.9, and the majority of the NTK sensors (LHA, LZA, 4mA, 6mA, L1H1, L2H2, lab grade, etc)
We are pushing development forward and made some MAJOR leaps with the AFR500v2, working closely with ECM. We also like and sell the AEM X-Series sensors on our website. AEM has come a long way from melting the gauge plastic from overheating heater circuit drivers in the gauge enclosure many years ago. These new products are making tuning easier and better for everyone. The biggest issues I see today are tuners who leave sensors unplugged, tuners who don't baseline their engines before shoving sensors in, and tuners who treat any one input / variable as gospel.
The AFX/AFR500/AFR500v2 does offer specific voltage test points during boot-up to perform any offset corrections which, as pointed out earlier in this thread, is often overlooked. You do want to make sure the sensor is properly calibrated.
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By baseline, I mean the research most pro tuners will do on an engine to get the timing & fuel parameters close before firing the engine. An example of improper use is a tuner who installs a wideband sensor while a tune is backfiring, spitting raw fuel, etc. Many tuners are able to get years out of their sensors by treating them with care and as precision equipment. Strong backfires can kill any Bosch or NTK sensor rapidly.
Ahhh, close made startup tune or minor things fixed before installing the wideband - why didn't you just say so
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2011 Vette Cam Only Internal Mod in stock LS3 -- YSI @ 18psi - 811rwhp on 93 / 926rwhp on E60 & 1008rwhp with a 50 shot of nitrous all through a 6L80
~Greg Huggins~
Remote Tuning Available at gh[email protected]
Mobile Tuning Available for North Georgia and WNC
Ahhh, close made startup tune or minor things fixed before installing the wideband - why didn't you just say soHP Tuners makes this super easy for most applications. When you go standalone though, you often have to spend a lot of time on your baseline tune which is where the terminology comes from.
@ bmotorsports, so this adaptor to integrate canbus into the v2. Will it be a analog to canbus converter? If so wont it still suffer the same latency issues that all analog sensors suffer? Also whats the ball park price? The reason i ask is i have a v2 sensor now and im contemplating either replacing it with an aem 30-0333 or in conjunction or i may just upgrade to the mpvi pro and run it into the analog...but this thread is making me rethink the analog idea.
Regarding the aems, are you guys getting the 30-0300 or the 30-0333? Can see much of a difference online although the 0300 is about $50 more so there must be something?
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0333 is what you want.
0300 is the original which was made to work with some sort of aem logger box thing. 0333 has the modified firmware dr.mike made so it can be picked up by HPT
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ID1000's, 220/240, .598/.598, 118 from Cam Motion
2007 Escalade, A6
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I'm using the 30-0300 connected via mvpi pro analag. Seems to work well and fast. Not much lag. You can see it follows the B1 o2 sensor. that's where I have it installed(drivers side). I don't have anything to compare it to. It's the first one I've bought.
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awesome thanks for that insight...im sure its somewhere here in this thread and I have missed it.
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Really interested to see the CAN integration along with pressure compensation for future units!Nice thread, once past character attacks (I hope it stays that way).
The Ballenger Motorsports AFR500v2 is indeed now available here and through HP Tuners directly!
Summary of Changes for the AFR500v2:
- Lambda Display Option
- Wide Range Option
0.411-1.373 Lambda6-20 Gas AFR2.66-8.88 Methanol AFR- Bosch LSU 4.9 Option
- Methanol Display Option
- Faster analog output
- All harnesses, control units, accessories, etc (except the LSU 4.9) are backwards and forwards compatible
- Options are selectable at any time
We plan to release a product that works with the AFX/AFR500/AFR500v2 such that it provides CAN support for integration with systems like the HP Tuners. We tentatively plan to offer pressure compensation as an option and may offer temperature compensation in this CAN module. This is planned for 2017.
Our experience and many customer's experience with the LSU 4.2 & 4.9 sensors for leaded, exotic, & high EGT fuels is poor. The NTK sensors are more tolerant of high EGTs, rapid EGT variation, & contaminants (such as lead). The result is that each sensor has its use and place. Fortunately, the AFR500v2 can control the 4.2, 4.9, and the majority of the NTK sensors (LHA, LZA, 4mA, 6mA, L1H1, L2H2, lab grade, etc)
We are pushing development forward and made some MAJOR leaps with the AFR500v2, working closely with ECM. We also like and sell the AEM X-Series sensors on our website. AEM has come a long way from melting the gauge plastic from overheating heater circuit drivers in the gauge enclosure many years ago. These new products are making tuning easier and better for everyone. The biggest issues I see today are tuners who leave sensors unplugged, tuners who don't baseline their engines before shoving sensors in, and tuners who treat any one input / variable as gospel.
The AFX/AFR500/AFR500v2 does offer specific voltage test points during boot-up to perform any offset corrections which, as pointed out earlier in this thread, is often overlooked. You do want to make sure the sensor is properly calibrated.
ECM provides the correction value already for their AFM1000/1500 widebands and I have contemplated rigging up a pressure sensor into HPTuners to calculate a "corrected wideband" channel for this. Having the setup do it within the unit would further simplify things though!
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The AFR500v2 analog output is FAST and the corresponding CAN output will also be FAST. Ballpark price depends on options chosen, current target is $75 for the base level.
If you perform your sensor calibration properly and perform your analog offset correction per the AFR500v2 manual, it works very well.
We are stocking both the 30-0300 & 30-0333 here. Pricing is odd right now because of a sale going on with the 30-0300 & 30-0333.
We agree! This feature is exclusive to very high end hardware currently.
Apologies for a bonehead question, but it appears to me that the 0333 goes into the OBDII port. Since it's occupying that, how does the HPT then plug in? Thanks for clarification on this.
Aem's connector has two ends. One connects to OBD port, hpt connects to the other. I've posted pics in one of the other threads about it.
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2005 Corvette, M6
ECS 1500 Supercharger
AlkyControl Meth, Monster LT1-S Twin, NT05R's
ID1000's, 220/240, .598/.598, 118 from Cam Motion
2007 Escalade, A6
Stock
Yup.
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Still on sale here for a few more days at 30% off (ends July 29th!)
Does anybody know what the output rate for logging is of the AEM wideband? Both CAN and analog? How many Hz.
I have it set to 100hz for the CAN option
dr.mike will probably know if that's actually what it's doing or not
I do know when I ran the AEM analog output along side the CAN out they were nearly identical. The analog output was surprisingly fast.
Post a log and tune if you want help
VCM Suite V3+ GETTING STARTED THREADS / HOW TO's
Tuner by night
CPX Tuning
2005 Corvette, M6
ECS 1500 Supercharger
AlkyControl Meth, Monster LT1-S Twin, NT05R's
ID1000's, 220/240, .598/.598, 118 from Cam Motion
2007 Escalade, A6
Stock
AEM WB's go like this.
Analog output is 2ms ( 500Hz ) for all of 30-0300 30-0333 and 30-0310. ( You must add the pins to the 30-0333 connector to tap the signal )
It is ground-offset compensated; and, pretty clean. It is, also, factory calibrated to match the CAN data output.
CAN output for the 30-0300 and 30-0310 is set at 10ms ( 100Hz ) Its is adjustable. But, that requires special software to send CAN commands to the WB's CAN API.
The OBDII CAN output rate depends on the polling rate of the logger. So, it can be anything from 0Hz to 500Hz. i.e. It just responds when queried for its PID value.
The serial output for the 30-0300 and 30-0310 is 100ms ( 10Hz ). It's really only there to be compatible with the old 30-4100/4110 and 30-2310 WBs. It's not REALLY intended for use in new installations.
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