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    Wheel torque error assistance

    Hello everyone!
    I have done countless searches and have found so many threads on it, so i apologize for having another post about it. Im afraid i just dont understand what im supposed to be changing. I am logging IPC wheel tq error. For the column (X) axis i have effective throttle area and for the row axis(Y) i have manifold vacuum. I am getting large values of error, but i cant figure out where i should make these changes and how.
    1. If i make changes to the torque curve, should i do it in driver demand engine torque in the torque management tab? or should i make it to the engine torque and inverse torque model tab using the calculator?

    2. I notice when i am bringing the car up to the mid rpms about to roll into the throttle, the car surges and does not pull smooth. i notice in my logs that the spark source is oscillating very fast and if i understand correctly that is telling me there are multiple tables it is bouncing between and things are not correct. Am i correct in assuming that it should be using base spark and driver demand until i get to the point where i roll into it, after which it should refer to borderline knock? If everything is correct i shouldnt see tip in or torque control come up in the logs?


    I apologize for having a post about something that has been covered so many times before, but i am simple and just not able to put it together. I am wanting to learn to do it correctly.
    I have attached 2 log files. so you can see whats going on
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    This throttle body model does not look right.

    The values I circled seem to have the wrong correlation with each other. What kind of TB is it? Where did you get the data. Bad data can def. cause IPC issues, etc.

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    Knock Retard is the reduction or prevention of knock by lowering ignition timing:

    (+) Adding Knock Retard = Reducing Timing. PCM is seeing knock.
    (--) Lowering Knock Retard = Increasing Timing. PCM isn't seeing knock.
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    It is a Kenne Bell twin 75mm TB.
    I am certain my Calibration is all sorts of messed up..... how can i go about fixing this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rryanfla View Post
    You are the man!
    So that gives me a starting point, however, i still have to correct the errors. i cant tell if im just not logging them correctly. or if its not the right PIDs... Maybe someone can take a look at my log and graphs....but this will help me get atleast one thing correct. After i get the throttle data correct, ill try and tackle wheel tq error.

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    People care too much about wheel torque error...I hardly ever log it...