Stock Vehicle Wideband Question

[tbrtuning]

If you're tuning something complete stock do you still use a wideband or just set PE to what you want to command and leave it? I wasn't sure if there were gains to be had from tuning MAF or VE or if they were so close that it wasn't needed on something stock.

I am about to tune a stock truck and it made me think it probably wasn't necessary to use my wideband but just wanted a second opinion from those of you with more experience.

I will not mess with VVT without a wideband also by the way. I was thinking that would probably make one necessary.

Thanks

[GHuggins]

Ever seen a stock PE table? You'll want one in the end of the tailpipe if nothing else.

[tbrtuning]

I was afraid I would get that response exactly. Lol. Every time I start to tune VE on even something lightly modified it is way further off than it should be. I guess I'll just replace a front O2 sensor with my wideband like I usually do. I wish the stock VE table was actually dialed in close.