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    Quote Originally Posted by dlc_racing View Post
    i just did this to a 2004 gm truck and the "new" VE table stays the same it just change the vertical axis cells from 5kpa to 105kpa to ....30kpa to 200kpa. Is this normal? or is a problem cause im having a lot of trouble to get the truck started and my wideband is crazy, any one ...also the charger of my laptop is dead and it wont let me take out the new 2bar os file so i cant uploaded right now so anyone can take a look ....please anyone any ideas??
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill@HPTuners View Post
    normal if your VE table axes stay the same and the labels just change.
    Sorry to bring up an old thread, but I'm confused by this. I applied the new 2 BAR OS to my 2006 P59 (Tahoe) , but my table has the same number of rows as before, but the labels changed from 15-105 (incr of 5) to 30-210 (incr of 10). So how does this this give me 5 KPA resolution? I changed my scanner to read in increments of 5 KPA and that is working correctly. What am I missing? TIA
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    69 Suburban Bagged & Blown: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=200387
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    Neither of those quotes said you keep the same resolution. It says you keep the same # of columns the headers are just changed, which is exactly what you're seeing

    This thread is also in the gen 4 section and your tune is from a gen 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by schpenxel View Post
    Neither of those quotes said you keep the same resolution. It says you keep the same # of columns the headers are just changed, which is exactly what you're seeing

    This thread is also in the gen 4 section and your tune is from a gen 3
    The posts I quoted were referencing a 2004 Gen III problem. I could/should have quoted this post which was in the help files for how to install a Custom 2 Bar OS, BUT it does not differentiate between Gen III or Gen IV. Why even post if you aren't going to offer a solution/suggestion...SMDH. It's no wonder people hate coming to this site....and honestly, I really wouldn't expect this from a board moderator.


    Quote Originally Posted by 94SS View Post
    I found this in the help file.

    2 Bar MAP - Speed Density

    This enhancement contains the following features:

    2bar MAP sensor support (calibration capability for GM 0-5V linear MAP sensors)
    Extended Main VE table to 210kPa (2bar)
    Retains full 5 kPa resolution in non-boost regions
    5 kPa resolution in boost regions

    secondary VE table not used (if applicable)
    New MAP referenced "Boost Enrich" table
    New openloop MAP threshold
    Dual (High and Low Octane) Spark table support
    Speed Density mode only
    VCM Scanner histogram automatically recognizes and adjusts for 2bar feature
    New 2bar MAP PID for VCM Scanner
    NOTE: You must use a correctly calibrated 2bar MAP sensor for this application. The default MAP sensor calibration values may not be accurate for your MAP sensor.




    Application Procedure

    To apply the enhancement to you PCM please use the following procedure. NOTE: the procedure involves the use of the "Rewrite Entire VCM" process. This process is not guaranteed to be safe. Please do not attempt to rewrite entire VCM if you have had any trouble reading or writing the VCM in the past. If an error occurs during writing of critical operating system components and the VCM is powered down, the VCM will become unrecoverable via software methods.

    Start with a stock or existing tune from the PCM.
    Open the file in VCM Editor
    Select Operating System, a window will appear with choices available.
    Apply the relevant modification by clicking the button.
    When prompted, save the file under a new name something like "XYZ_2bar.bin". This is now your new "Base" file that must be used for all future tuning.
    The editor will automatically close the file after saving.
    Open the newly saved file in the editor. You should see that the operating system ID has changed from your original file.
    (This step for 2bar and 3bar enhancement only) The VE table will be full of invalid data. You *must* create a valid VE table before writing the file to the PCM. It is a good idea to copy your previous VE table into the non-boost region and then copy and increase the last row of the VE table to the new boost area. It is important to start tuning on the rich side (higher numbers) and then work back to your desired AFR.
    Save the file in the editor, you are now ready to write to the PCM.
    IMPORTANT: The next step involves using the "Rewrite Entire VCM" option. Remember this option is not 100% recoverable on failure in some circumstances. Do NOT disconnect the battery if you have problems during this next step. Once this step is completed you can use the regular "Write VCM" function for all tuning changes.
    Connect to the vehicle and turn on ignition, wait 10secs.
    Still in VCM Editor with your file open, select Flash -> Write Entire VCM. The process takes approximately 2-4 minutes depending on vehicle type.
    When the write is completed, turn off ignition and wait 30secs.
    Turn on ignition, wait 10secs.
    The PCM should display the new operating system ID.
    At this point the VCM should be now running the new operating system and you can now use the regular and safe "Write VCM" for all future tuning changes.
    (This step for 2bar and 3bar enhancement only) Open VCM Scanner and connect to the vehicle. Open the Table display (Scan -> Table Display). Right-click the "Manifold Air Pressure (SAE)" PID and select "Delete". This removes the existing 1 bar PID from the table, if you don't do this the histogram will not function correctly.
    (This step for 2bar and 3bar enhancement only) Right-click again on the table display cell and select "Insert", go to the Engine -> Airflow section and choose either the "Manifold Air Pressure - 2 bar" or "Manifold Air Pressure - 3 bar" PID, double-click to insert it into the table.
    (This step for 2bar and 3bar enhancement only) Save the new scanner configuration using File -> Save Config.
    You are now ready to tune using your new enhanced PCM.
    Anyway, here's a copy of my tune and a log with the new 2 Bar VE.
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    69 Suburban Bagged & Blown: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=200387
    68 Farm Truck build thread-LS3/6L80/TVS1900: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=358692