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Thread: LC-1 reads different in HPTuners and Aeroforce

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    Advanced Tuner Pulse_GTO's Avatar
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    LC-1 reads different in HPTuners and Aeroforce

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    I have an LC-1 in my car and I decided to do more work on my VE table. I set up my HP tuners Wideband PID properly by finding my slope and ground offset values. Since I set up the LC-1 to give me 10:1 afr at 0 Volts and 18:1 afr at 5 Volts, the formula came out to (Volts/0.625)+10.
    Now all I had to do was to find my ground voltage offset. I forced the LC-1 to output a value of 14.7, so I set the output voltage to a flat 2.9 volts, no matter what it was actually reading. I hook up the HPtuners scanner and I get a value of 14.62. No problem, I add 0.08 to the 10 in the formula, and I get the 14.7 I was looking for. After that I set the voltages in the LC-1 back to 0 and 5 and go out for some logs, happily thinking that I have set it up correctly.

    I noticed that at idle I was reading a steady 17.52-3:1. Not surprised here, my car had the best idle qualities when it's lean.

    Since I was double checking my offsets in HPtuners, I thought it would be nice to set up my Aeroforce to read from 10:1 to 18:1, down from 20:1 how it was previously set up. I did some quick math and came up with a slope of 1.6. I got this number like this (18-10)/(5-0), basically afr range divided by voltage range, same way it's described in the Aeroforce manual.
    So I enter 1.6 for slope, and 10 for intersect. I force the LC-1 to give me 14.7 on the other analog output and I get 15.2. Ok, I'm off by .5, so I change the intersect to 9.5 and get 14.7 on the gauge.

    So far everyhthing looks great, I'm looging, making changes, and having a great time. Until I decide to stop logging at idle, remember I was seeing a constant 17.52, and I plug in my Aeroforce in the OBDII connector. It powers up, and I'm seeing an afr in the 15s!!!

    What did I do wrong? Which output is working right? I went over my math so many times, but I cannot see where I made a mistake, so I'm out of ideas.
    Can anybody help?

    Sorry about the long post, but I tried to include as much info as possible.

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    Tuner in Training talsayed's Avatar
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    1-Try to narrow your wide band,use one of the following setup

    0 V = 10 AFR
    5 V = 16.41 AFR [ 0.78 EIO value ]
    3.67 V =14.705 AFR ( setup value )

    0 V = 10 AFR
    5 V = 17.15 AFR [ 0.6993 ]
    3.29 V =14.705 AFR


    0 V = 10 AFR
    5 V = 18.13 AFR [ 0.615 ]
    2.9 V =14.715 AFR

    2- Set response speed to 1/6 or even 1/3.

    3-Creat a histogram (use it to find your offset)..See attached image

    4-Always check your wide band offset while the engine is running .

    Hope this will help
    Last edited by talsayed; 03-09-2009 at 05:34 PM.

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    Advanced Tuner Pulse_GTO's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by talsayed View Post


    4-Always check your wide band offset while the engine is running .
    That could be one issue.

    I'll work on it more today and post up the results.

    Thanks for the suggestions.