What VE changes would you make?

[chrismcdaniel]

408 CI motor SD tune,
based on the trims i logged on a 20 minute drive, what changes would you make to the VE table if any? i know its not perfect, and a long way from it, but I am a total rookie at this, and its is 100x better than when i started.

thanks,
chris

[WS6FirebirdTA00]

I wouldnt log so much stuff that is not needed, it just slows the sample rate.

Mult the ve table by the % in the histogram. I would also recommend a WB if you want to get serious about dialing it in.

[chrismcdaniel]

so based on the histogram, should i multiply by -3% ?

[WS6FirebirdTA00]

No, multiply by the given amounts in the histogram. If a cell wants 3% give it 3, if another wants 6%, then give it 6. You cannot just multiply the whole table by one number.

[chrismcdaniel]

so, if its AT -3 on the histogram multiply that cell by +3 ? and if its at +3, multply by -3? right??

[Bill@HPTuners]

so, if its AT -3 on the histogram multiply that cell by +3 ? and if its at +3, multply by -3? right??

no, if its a negative number the computer is pulling fuel so you want to tell the ve table to pull fuel. If its a positive number the computer is adding fuel so you want to tell the ve table to add fuel. The histograms basically do the work for you

[chrismcdaniel]

no, if its a negative number the computer is pulling fuel so you want to tell the ve table to pull fuel. If its a positive number the computer is adding fuel so you want to tell the ve table to add fuel. The histograms basically do the work for you

ok, so i had it backwards? cool, thanks for the info!

[chrismcdaniel]

ok, so i made the changes to each individual cell, then i went to the 3D veiw of the VE table and used the smoothing function.. i used all of the smoothing functions, and i continued to click them until i didnt see any more changes takeing place... is this all correct?

[WS6FirebirdTA00]

no that is not, I would advise you read up on VE tuning some more and then post back up with specific questions.

[chrisj6]

I always just copy and paste the values until I get the numbers around +2, then i just copy and paste 1/2% to get them dialed in so I dont overshoot.

[chrismcdaniel]

I always just copy and paste the values until I get the numbers around +2, then i just copy and paste 1/2% to get them dialed in so I dont overshoot.

thanks man, i honestly did it cell by cell..took about an hour.. couldnt figure out the copy paste function, it just wouldnt paste for me.

[Bill@HPTuners]

thanks man, i honestly did it cell by cell..took about an hour.. couldnt figure out the copy paste function, it just wouldnt paste for me.

Ask and yeh shall receive http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTun...iplybyhalf.swf

[chrismcdaniel]

Ask and yeh shall receive http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTun...iplybyhalf.swf

Ok, thanks. Now, i THINK this is where i need the 2001+ yeam modle operating system?? because with my 2000 model, when i select number 6 under the histogram, "MAF AFR Error, Air Fuel ratio error" i get this....


''This Histogram is not supported with the current loaded parameters.

If this Histogram references Tables, it is possible that the vehicle
you are connected to does not support these Tables. It is also possible
that the sensor required for the Table is not found in the loaded
parameters.

If this Histogram references Sensors, it is possible that the sensor
required is not found in the loaded parameters.

If this Histogram references PIDs, it is possible that the PID required
is not found in the loaded parameters.

You will find all of your loaded parameters located on your Table Display.
To add more parameters, right click the table display and click insert.

For example, if you have a histogram built that maps Timing Advance
and you do not have Timing Advance inserted on your Table Display,
the Histogram will not function''

[Bill@HPTuners]

no, it just means you arent logging the correct PID's in your table display...you'd need to log MAF(hz), commanded afr hi or low res(whatever is available for your application), & your wideband

[chrismcdaniel]

no, it just means you arent logging the correct PID's in your table display...you'd need to log MAF(hz), commanded afr hi or low res(whatever is available for your application), & your wideband

So, i wont be able to do it because im running SD

[Bill@HPTuners]

huh? you can log maf(hz) if your in SD as long as you havent unplugged the maf sensor at least.

[chrismcdaniel]

huh? you can log maf(hz) if your in SD as long as you havent unplugged the maf sensor at least.

no maf brother. And its not going back in there. Im staying SD

[Bill@HPTuners]

then why are you trying to setup a maf error table? I think you've now confused me & the rest of the tuning world with that question.

[chrisj6]

I'd have a hard time tuning a MAF table with that setup.

[chrismcdaniel]

then why are you trying to setup a maf error table? I think you've now confused me & the rest of the tuning world with that question.

guess im the confused one. I originally wasnt trying to set up a maf error table, i was just trying to figure out what changes to make to the VE table. Then someone said to cut and copy the histogram to the ve table. When i asked how to do it, someone posted a link with a little video on how to do it. When i looked at the video, there was a part of the histogram that i wasnt able to access. It took me an hour or so to figure out that i couldnt access it becuae it was a MAF table.

after all of my confusion, i figured out how to copy/speacial paste the information for the LTFT/STFT tables.

Sorry im an idiot with this computer tunning shit, my strength is in building'em, not tunning'em....unless we are talking carb applications