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Thread: Baffling behavior. 3bar SD OL tune. INJ values stay the same, no matter what TPS/MAP

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    Baffling behavior. 3bar SD OL tune. INJ values stay the same, no matter what TPS/MAP

    Engine: New 5.3 (rebuilt for turbo setup).
    Heads: PRC Stage 2.5
    Cam: Triple 12 Isky
    Pistons: Forged Wiseco
    Rods: Compstar
    Intake: Stock LS1 from Camaro
    Injectors: 127# Bosch
    Turbo: PT7675
    Fuel: Pump gas (93)

    Starts but stumbles and dies unless you flap the gas pedal.
    Once warm, idles but rich(high 11's low 12's) and this is at 47kpa (remember, this is a 3 bar tune)
    When warm(and in park/neutral), you can slowly escalate throttle (kpas are in the 30's) and it will rev to 3K but showing quite rich(but Bank 1 &1 Inj stay at 2.2ms)
    Put it in reverse and slowly add throttle, it will start to rev to 1,600rpm but then it's at 50 or so KPA and runs dead lean (19.x AFR) and stumbles, all but dies, all while the Bank1/2 stay at 2.2ms.

    I've tried the RTT but I can set the VE to anything, absurd low or high values and it makes not one bit of change to the idle, injector pulsewidth or AFR(using version 3.2 of HPTuners).
    I've change the VE up, down, all around but the 2.2 Bank 1/2 Injector shows up. No matter how I manipulate the Short term/default fuel values , it runs rich at idle and tries to die if I put it in gear and add any load.

    I've even put in one of Denmahs tunes, changing only the injector data which is from the data sheet I received with the injectors. Same behavior. I sent of for a mail order tune from an LS1tech sponsor, exact same behavior.

    I bought the 3 bar MAP sensor that is touted as having one of the good ones and plugged in the MAF linears/offset.

    I'm stumped after trying every thing I can think of.
    I've verified the fuel pressure 58psi. But I think even if that were off, shouldn't the injector pulsewidth 'try' to change with the TPS and/or MAP KPA changes?

    I've attached my tune and my log.

    Thanks,
    Dave
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    tried opening up your file, doesn't work

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    Can't open the files either. Attach them to your post instead of trying to use your own hosting.
    Post a log and tune if you want help

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    Now here's something interesting. The tune is from a pro shop and I loaded it into a 0411 PCM.

    I talked to another tuner and he said that 3.0 and 3.2 are not loading 2 and 3 bar Tunes correctly. He said he had to go back to version 2.25 or whatever the prior version was to 3.0 to properly load 2 and 3 bar Tunes. Not only that but he said that the 411 PCM also had difficulty with 3 bar tunes and he recommended the p59's. Have any of you heard that before?
    To be sure I have changed this tune over and over to no effect . No matter what I do no matter what the map sensor says no matter what the throttle position sensor says it stays at pulsewidth 2.2

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    Man i have an issue with loading 3bar OS on my 0411 also using 3.2 version i think i efd up 2 pcm trying to load 3 bar OS, first ecm it worked ok for a few hours then after the engine go to operating temps and attempted to turn on the engine i would get no injector pulse, so i got a second pcm and it worked ok for a few hours after loading 3bar OS then lost comms, injector pulse, fuel pump relay pulsing on and off i mean the only thing i can think of is that it does not like difrent OS.

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    Please tell me this is not true. I did a couple of changes in 3.2 before I went to the track. I'm running 2 bar. During a quarter mile run, (running a wet nitrous shot), all of the injectors shut off and now I am replacing pistons, bearings, oil pump, etc, head work,boring. I hope there is more discussion on this because I cannot figure out what happened. Expensive!!
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    Have a log of when it happened?
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    No log. It was running fine so I didn't think it was necessary. Have you heard anything about 3.2 not loading 2 bar tunes correctly? I still have 2.24, but not sure how to go backwards on this tune from 3.2. When I open 2.24 and select open tune, It says cannot open tune, update to new version.

    I guess that doesn't matter, I will figure it out. The important thing is the 2bar and 3.2 version question.
    Last edited by Lakegoat; 08-14-2016 at 12:37 PM.
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    How do you know the injectors shut off then?

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    After it happened, I tried to start it. Had spark, fuel pressure, wouldn't even pop.
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    Weird. Did you ever get it to start?
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    After that, I borescoped a cylinder and saw piston damage. Motor is out. I am REALLY interested to know if the HP glitch is real. Can't afford to do this again. The engine only had about 6000 miles on it.
    2000 Camaro SS 2015 L83 port injected, Whipple 3.0, 4L80E, 8.8 Ford
    2013 Silverado 5.3, 6L80k 8.8