mapped points?

[smallblock500]

How do the mapped points work on a 2015? How can I log them and how do I know which one to modify? I'm logging map period but it bounces around from 1 to 4 million and doesn't seem to correspond with anything in the editor program so it seems useless? I have the newest version of the software that I updated about 4 days ago. This car has a stg2 9psi procharger on it with the MAF in the side of the intercooler and a set of ID 1000 injectors. I tried to input the injector data from the ID website and the car wont even start. Any ideas here would help but nothing I see here is making any since and I have to idea where to start.

[stanton8980]

You are going to have to slow down with the Mustang. HPT and SCT neither have every parameter available in the software yet to make tuning flawless. You have more wiggle room to play because you still have a factory style throttle body and that's where stuff really gets weird. There are still things missing and the MCT switch does not work. Trust me on that. Input for injectors in HPT is a different calculation. You have to multiply the numbers for the injectors, but I can't remember what to multiply with at the moment. You cannot log the mapped points yet, either. If you can, they haven't given us the ability yet. There is a post on here somewhere where they did it, but I haven't been able to do it yet.

[smallblock500]

Someone has tuned this system on this car because their are several of them out there running just fine. My biggest issue is getting it to idle. Some times it wont start and when it does it idles at 2500 rpm. from the few short pulls that I have done with it from about 2500-5000 rpm it made a peak of 557 WTQ and 478 WHP so those torque numbers look nice. This car still has factory exhaust from hte heads back to a corsa axle back still has stock cats on it. This is getting frustrating real quick.

[stanton8980]

They are not tuning the cars using the same equipment you are. Read my info. I have a Roush TVS with a smaller pulley and everything else to back it up. The car puts down 637HP.....with a VMP twin 67mm GT500 throttle body.....I had to get John Lund to tune my car. I couldn't do it myself with the equipment available.

[Eric@HPTuners]

You cannot log the mapped points yet, either. If you can, they haven't given us the ability yet. There is a post on here somewhere where they did it, but I haven't been able to do it yet.

Mapped Points logging is available for every 2015 Mustang GT calibration we currently support and has been for a while now.

[smallblock500]

I love how the moderators here are so helpful. they usually just poke in basically call you an idiot and leave. like above he says its there but never bothers to explain how to do it and where it is or anything about it. HP tuners has also NEVER given out any sort of phone number to be able to call for tech support or anything like that. I'm pretty sure most of them are located in florida as I am but never offer any help.

[jchambers]

They are not tuning the cars using the same equipment you are. Read my info. I have a Roush TVS with a smaller pulley and everything else to back it up. The car puts down 637HP.....with a VMP twin 67mm GT500 throttle body.....I had to get John Lund to tune my car. I couldn't do it myself with the equipment available.

These cars are completely tunable with HPT and the other guy's software. There are plenty of calibrators out there doing it.

[smallblock500]

right I would like to find one of them and be able to ask them a few questions and get some pointers on getting started.

[jchambers]

There are plenty of ways to get started, including right here. There are any number of training opportunities, both in a classroom setting as well as at your own facility. I, for one, routinely provide training to other calibrators/shops either remotely or on-site. There's also primers available such as those from Lasota Racing and The Tuning School, just to name a few. There's a class scheduled in Indy just before PRI this year again. Seek and you shall find. However if you're looking for someone to give you the tools for free the hunt will be much harder. Time and knowledge are valuable.

[smallblock500]

not looking for a free tune just asking for some pointers on some starting points. Maybe a config set up for the scanner or some tips on how I can set one up to at least get on the right track. I know what needs to be adjusted I'm just not sure what table to adjust it in. No idea on this new platform what one of the 27 mapped points the pcm is looking at so be able to make the proper adjustments.

[schaid]

I think you're slightly confused. The reason I say this...mapped points control spark and vct. I believe they also play into the imrc on the 15's. With your setup...stock should be a sufficient starting point for any values other than MAF and injector settings and the car should start and idle relatively smoothly.

Lashing out at the guy that is one of the very reasons you even have the ability to use HPTuners on your vehicle is a sure fire way to piss quite a few folks off.

The reason you think Eric called you an idiot...well I'm pretty sure that's going without saying at this point.

[PST]

Yeah, your thread title says mapped points, but your first post mentions map (I assume you meant MAF) period.

There are quite a few threads on here dealing with logging, maf tuning, which spark tables to use, cam tuning, etc. Search is your friend in that regard. You will also find quite a bit of tune files posted that you can look at to see what other people have done.

[Eric@HPTuners]

I love how the moderators here are so helpful. they usually just poke in basically call you an idiot and leave. like above he says its there but never bothers to explain how to do it and where it is or anything about it. HP tuners has also NEVER given out any sort of phone number to be able to call for tech support or anything like that. I'm pretty sure most of them are located in florida as I am but never offer any help.

No one was called an idiot.

Use the latest beta. Connect to your car, Add Channel. Search for mapped point and add all of them.

[smallblock500]

Ok I got that but still not sure what to do with them. The main concern right now is trying to get the car to idle. I have included the bin file and a log of the last run.

[PST]

Forget about the mapped points for a bit..

Your setup is very basic and should be easy to get running.

1st step, get the proper injector data in the tune. Remember that most fords prior to the coyote ran 39psi rather than 58psi. So it you take injector data and blindly copy/paste without verifying your gonna have it all wrong. Also pay attention to the scalars and such. Sometimes they are different in the data from what you need to put into the tune. So you may find that you need to convert the data from on type of measurement to another. I.e. psi instead of kpa.

Then think about what REALLY changed that mechanically affects idle... MAF location and exposed area! You can SEARCH this forum and find PLENTY of procharged coyote tunes to sample a MAF table from. Or you can start scaling your existing MAF table up/down till she starts and idles. Then tune the remainder of the MAF table from their.

The mapped points are far more advanced than the issue at hand. You need to setup/tune quite a few other things before you touch them.

[caniggia]

No one was called an idiot.

Use the latest beta. Connect to your car, Add Channel. Search for mapped point and add all of them.

pre 2015 are also working finally?

I belive logs says in which mapped point we are, but how it looks in the tune, what tables says when which mapped point should be used?
Can't find correlation.

[02GTP]

pre 2015 are also working finally?

I belive logs says in which mapped point we are, but how it looks in the tune, what tables says when which mapped point should be used?
Can't find correlation.

You have to add each point to the logger. I think WOT only uses 14-26. Load them all and it shows what percentage is being used, example would be at 4k rpm, wot, it will show something like Mapped Point 15 30% Mapped point 21 70%

[caniggia]

Thanks, this is what i thought, but this is result of tune, i would like to know what tables says which mapped point should be used when.
Could be that only tables that define it are Engine/Variable camshaft/Mapped point and here intake and exhaus opening?