For all of you that get Error code P061B.

[Turbofox]

Hey guys, I know from looking around that it seems like everyone gets this code (including me) and for a while of searching everyone knows what it is, but it seems like no one knows what to change. So here's the answer!! At least for my 06 F-150 but I would assume it's labeled the same for most Fords.

You want to go to the "Wheel TQ Error Max" setting and then just start adding 25-50% each time until it goes away. Mine was at 45,000 with a max allowed of 500,000. We ended up at 120,000 being a good number so far. This was adding on a Vortech S-Trim blower so depending on what you did might allow this to be lower.

My assumption is to not just max it out due to it being a fail safe. So unless someone with more knowledge can chime in and say otherwise I would just go up as far as needed and no higher just in case.

I hope this helped a few people!
Error P061B.jpg

[jchambers]

Though raising the allowable wheel torque error will help you avoid the DBW errors, the better solution is to properly calibrate the DBW system. Calibrating the EffTA, feed forward throttle angle area, driver demand and tq/inv tq tables is the more correct solution. As one teacher in the subject used to preach, properly calibrating the DBW gives you some amount of 'plausible deniability' if you ever find yourself in court defending your tuning.

[Eric@HPTuners]

Though raising the allowable wheel torque error will help you avoid the DBW errors, the better solution is to properly calibrate the DBW system. Calibrating the EffTA, feed forward throttle angle area, driver demand and tq/inv tq tables is the more correct solution. As one teacher in the subject used to preach, properly calibrating the DBW gives you some amount of 'plausible deniability' if you ever find yourself in court defending your tuning.

This is correct.

I need to do a write up on Drive By Wire, but the time is just not there for me right now.

[Turbofox]

Though raising the allowable wheel torque error will help you avoid the DBW errors, the better solution is to properly calibrate the DBW system. Calibrating the EffTA, feed forward throttle angle area, driver demand and tq/inv tq tables is the more correct solution. As one teacher in the subject used to preach, properly calibrating the DBW gives you some amount of 'plausible deniability' if you ever find yourself in court defending your tuning.

I definitely agree! It just seems like at the moment a lot of the parameters aren’t available to us to log or calibrate. A write up would be awesome Eric!

[Eric@HPTuners]

I definitely agree! It just seems like at the moment a lot of the parameters aren’t available to us to log or calibrate. A write up would be awesome Eric!

With the current scanner, it is not. Soon that will be fixed.

[eficalibrator]

If only there were a DVD somewhere that walked through the exact procedure for properly calibrating these torque based ETC systems. (Even if it uses brand X software, the tables are there and the concept is thoroughly explained and demonstrated...) Turning up the max allowable wheel torque error is a copout and UNSAFE.

[Eric@HPTuners]

If only there were a DVD somewhere that walked through the exact procedure for properly calibrating these torque based ETC systems. (Even if it uses brand X software, the tables are there and the concept is thoroughly explained and demonstrated...) Turning up the max allowable wheel torque error is a copout and UNSAFE.

Did you make a Ford DVD that covers this? I rather not explain it, if you already covered it. I have enough work to do.

[Blown383]

Greg and Eric in the same thread...

[caniggia]

Here's how to tune throttle, so drive by wire:

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...le-tuning-Ford

[tramotorsports]

It's spelled out pretty well in Greg's ford DVD. It's in SCT format but translates very closely to HPT.

[Turbofox]

Here's how to tune throttle, so drive by wire:

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...le-tuning-Ford

I'll have to give it a shot then sometime this week. Still getting the dashpot stuff corrected as well but i'm getting closer. But the throttle stuff is starting to really bug me, even when the truck was stock.

[Turbofox]

If only there were a DVD somewhere that walked through the exact procedure for properly calibrating these torque based ETC systems. (Even if it uses brand X software, the tables are there and the concept is thoroughly explained and demonstrated...) Turning up the max allowable wheel torque error is a copout and UNSAFE.

I would agree with you on it not being the best. However it's pretty hard to "tune" something when it hit's limp mode the instant you step on the throttle... So, if you get the error, before you can tune... How can you tune?
And i'm sure you have something for sale as well that would help all of us out correct?

[caniggia]

Disable all errors and tune.

[mikemanray]

I know this thread is a bit old, but I came across it and wanted to add something. I'm an Electronic Throttle Monitor Calibrator.

120,000 is, for all of the cars that I've worked on, the highest the wheel torque error will count. You don't trigger P061B until you exceed the wheel torque error limit; so hitting it doesn't trip the code and put you in a failure mode.

Therefore, TurboFox, you completely disabled torque monitoring on that vehicle.

The reason for getting P061B is because your modified engine produces more torque than the torque monitor thinks it should (for good reason, you strapped a blower to it). You have to teach the torque monitor that the increased levels are normal.

[bigtwingeorg]

You have to teach the torque monitor that the increased levels are normal.

Can you little bit help me? How can I the right way teach my torque monitor?

[Programmer]

ETC may have a very careful tuning strategy (and I'm not one for manipulating anything related to TPS and ETC strategy directly) ....but when you look at 'factory Ford' tuning with all the values raised through the roof -- why spend a pile of time on it ? I had all these intermittent issues with an Edelbrock SC installed on a 2007 Lincoln truck, and I just gave up--and set everything up similar a newer Ford Raptor with the SC upgrade file. Problems with limping the truck were solved...and didn't change any driveability.

[bigtwingeorg]

Can somebody (maybe Programmer?) post here this Raptor tune (or similar one) for my inspiration? I have supercharged 2008 Mustang 4.6 and I'm fighting long time with this error. Programmer, thank you for your idea!

[bigtwingeorg]

OK. I'm now trying ETC setting from Ford Mustang 5.4 2008. It works without error codes still now (about 100 miles).

[Turbofox]

Yup that’s pretty much what we had figured. And I definitely am planning on setting this back down to stock or close to stock once the ETC stuff has been tuned. A lot of the issues were that HP tuners at the time this thread was created didn’t allow you to tune anything with the ETC. Thankfully with the new release I’m hoping to get the tables sorted out this weekend 
However, no matter what before you start to tune the ETC, you’re most likely going to need to raise the wheel TQ error up at least somewhat. Anything above 1500rpm pretty much put the truck into limp mode. And thankfully that happened in my driveway. I couldn’t imagine how awesome that would be to pull out onto the road, and instantly go into limp mode like a lot have experienced.
I do definitely agree though, now with the ability to tune the ETC tables correctly the final thing should be to set the TQ error number back down to something that will actually allow it to work.

[Eric@HPTuners]

Alot of what is needed to dial in the ETC system is now showing up in the 2.25 Scanner. I have a long way to go, but it's coming around.