NGK AFX WITH NTK SENSOR vs Innovate Motorsports LC-1

[IJ.]

You can have the NGK read lambda on the display... you just have to spend a little money and send the box in to ECM to re-flash the chip to show lambda instead of AFR in reference to 14.57:1 stoich.

Ordering an AFM-1500 myself for tuning and keeping my NGK and Haltech/Daytona as backups/sanity check. I normally use my NGK in the exhaust in place of a narrowband pre-cats and then use my Haltech/Daytona in the tail pipe which is logged on my dyno to verify readings. I figure 2 readings are better than relying on one.

More info please?
Where to send it and roughly how much?

Thanks!

[DSteck]

Per the Ford Muscle article... the Innovate is the way to go... I've used it so many times with success that I wonder why change it.

You're kidding, right? Innovate sponsored that "test".

[Montecarlodrag]

NGK AFX is still sold with both NTK and Bosch sensors, you need to be careful when buying. Cheaper units always have the Bosch sensor

[LSxpwrdZ]

Contact ECM to do modifications to your unit. The most accurate way to of using an AFX style wideband is get the AFM1000 and the DIS1000. The DIS1000 is just a display that you can order to be programmed to whatever stoich afr or lambda or EQ and hooks up to the AFM1000.

The one thing I have been looking for is a large LED panel that will accept voltage input and you can program a transfer function to so that I can put up in the dyno bay to watch on a huge display while making pulls.

[MikeOD]

NGK AFX is still sold with both NTK and Bosch sensors, you need to be careful when buying. Cheaper units always have the Bosch sensor

From an e-mail to me dated 2/18/2013.

"Hello,

The original units several years ago came with Bosch sensors. The AFX comes with the NTK sensor 24302 now.

Best Regards,

Andrew Hauenstein
Product Coordinator
NGK Spark Plugs USA Inc"

That's from NGK...you're only going to get one "new" with a bosch sensor if it's been sitting on a shelf for years.

[Kyne]

Ok so emailed ECM and for $200 they can change it to lambda, increase the range to .6-1.3L and make some changes for voltage stability. Just have to mail it to them.

[DSteck]

The extra range intrigues me.

[Kyne]

Need the email address or shipping address? I'm shipping mine out tomorrow.

[DSteck]

Yea, the email address would be nice.

[Kyne]

[email protected]

[DSteck]

[email protected]

Thanks!! I have five of these that I'd like updated.

[Kyne]

Thanks!! I have five of these that I'd like updated.

Ha nice! I was thinking about buying another just to get it updated.

[IJ.]

Ha nice! I was thinking about buying another just to get it updated.

I have 2x here, will send them off one at a time, thanks Kyne!

[Montecarlodrag]

From an e-mail to me dated 2/18/2013.

"Hello,

The original units several years ago came with Bosch sensors. The AFX comes with the NTK sensor 24302 now.

Best Regards,

Andrew Hauenstein
Product Coordinator
NGK Spark Plugs USA Inc"

That's from NGK...you're only going to get one "new" with a bosch sensor if it's been sitting on a shelf for years.

Still you need to be careful. I bought one a few months ago and I saw several units with Bosch sensor, they were like 40 bucks cheaper. I noticed because of the reduced price

[STR8BALLN]

Still you need to be careful. I bought one a few months ago and I saw several units with Bosch sensor, they were like 40 bucks cheaper. I noticed because of the reduced price

Is there a way to tell the difference between the bosch or NGK units? Or are they labeled?

[Montecarlodrag]

Is there a way to tell the difference between the bosch or NGK units? Or are they labeled?

Bosch units are cheaper and the sensor is different. In the description of the product it should say if it has the NTK sensor
If it doesn't say, ask the seller. Most of them make very clear their units have the NTK sensor

[JnJSpdShop]

I won't use anything but my AFM-1000. Best money I ever spent when it comes to tuning.

The best part about it is the NTK sensors do not drift with age. They either work and give 100% accurate results, or it doesn't work at all. I used the same sensor for over a year tuning with it daily, before it finally died and I had to replace it. Replacement sensors are $400 for the AFM-1000 though.

Been thinking about one of these for a while now and I think I am ready to make the jump. Is the sensor durability as good as they say it is??

[STR8BALLN]

The AFX with NTK sensor is far superior in accuracy.

Thanks to all, I went with the AFX/NTK.

Fedex delievered it yesterday.

[Kyne]

I sent my AFX unit to ECM on Tuesday I think. Arrived today and they already emailed me saying it's done. Quick turn around! When it gets back I'm sending my second one in as well. I should have an update next week with a review.

[IJ.]

I sent my AFX unit to ECM on Tuesday I think. Arrived today and they already emailed me saying it's done. Quick turn around! When it gets back I'm sending my second one in as well. I should have an update next week with a review.

Good stuff!

Sent one of mine off a couple of days ago but it's a bit further for me