EQ <> VE Version 4

[DSteck]

To be fair, this could be done in Excel to a reasonable extent, minus the edge matching. This tool just works a lot better.

[MikeOD]

My paypal is my email, which is in the title bar of the program. I obviously wont stop anyone from sending anything, but I don't expect it. Hell there have been post after post of people talking about donating to the cause. Previous programs I've wrote I even kindly asked for a little bump from professional people (shop and commercial tuners) that use my software and make money from it. But after all these years not one single person has ever actually sent me a dime, lol. If they did they sent it to Ktoonsez...

Well, someone with as much understanding of the PCM and how it functions, as well as the experience tuning engines and knowing what "man it'd be nice to have this" type of features in the software doesn't come along often, and usually when they do, they're not willing to share a piece of software like this that they've made, so I hope more people will send something as a thank you.

Just sent you $100.

I did exactly the same thing, just hope I didn't make a typo in the e-mail address

[ScarabEpic22]

First off, great job developing this, I know what is required to develop something like this. Providing a powerful tool like this to the community is a huge gift. I have never used any of the previous versions and have only played with this for about 30 minutes so take these comments with a grain of salt.

There are a few things that stand out as being "weird" to me, if you choose to ignore them that's fine with me. It'd bug me if I didnt say anything though, so here goes.

I dont like that the window size is locked (using Windows 8, can test Windows 7 at home later) on some pages. Especially when I view the generated VE table, I have the MAP points set much finer than normal and I dont like having to scroll to see the whole VE table. The window re-sizes, but not large enough. I have a 24" 1080p monitor, I want to be able to see all the data at once, but cant because the window size is locked. Upon further inspection, it appears that the vertical window height is dynamically adjustable however the horizontal height is limited to approximately 30 cells.

On the VE Table page, it would be nice to have a "Close" button so you dont have to click the "X" in the upper right to close it. If possible, it'd probably be easier to move the 3 functions from the "File" and "Tools" drop-downs straight into the window. Maybe have a toolbar above the Table Format / GMVE/VE% / VVT area that has 4 buttons for this functionality (and a close button).

Also on the VE Table page, it would be nice to have the VE table actually there as well so you can have the coeffs/VE% and visible table all on 1 screen. I understand why it isnt right now (screen real estate), but maybe make it an option?

On the VE Table Format Editor, it would be nice to have a "Close" button. The only way currently is to click the "X" in the upper right corner.

When entering Equations, it would be nice to be able to copy/paste directly into this. Currently when selecting a list of data and pasting it into the program, only the first cell is pasted. Also, it would be great to be able to enter a value (into the RPM and MAP breakpoints) and hit Tab to advance cells vs having to hit Enter and manually select the next cell.

I like how the current VE and previously generated coeffs are overlaid, makes monitoring your changes much easier.

And finally, 1 spelling error, on the main page "Safety" is spelled "Saftey".

Hope this helps, feel free to reach out to me if you want anything clarified or need a hand testing.

Quick question, how do you get the VE Table pictured in the upper left corner of the picture in your original post?

EDIT:
When creating a new VE Table format, as soon as you click New the window jumps behind the VE Table window. Also, if you create a new VE Table format and save it in the same folder as the LT1, LS1, LS2, etc files, it doesnt get loaded the next time you start the program. You have to manually open it up each time the program starts.

[MikeOD]

Quick question, how do you get the VE Table pictured in the upper left corner of the picture in your original post?

After you bring in the equation coefficients and generate the table, open the table and right click it, then pick Graph 3D...then be careful clicking the graph, as you can adjust values in it when you do.

[ScarabEpic22]

After you bring in the equation coefficients and generate the table, open the table and right click it, then pick Graph 3D...then be careful clicking the graph, as you can adjust values in it when you do.

Thanks, I found the Copy/Paste/Interpolate/Extrapolate but must have glossed over the Graph part. Works now.

[edcmat-l1]

100 bucks sent to your paypal.

[2000_SS]

I'm doing a cam/intake/exhaust swap on a 07 Z06 right now, then i'll be tuning it. this is my first gen IV engine to tune, so please bear with me...

I was playing around with the EQ <> VE tool and the attached pic is what i came up with. Obviously something isn't quite right, or is that what a stock LS7 VE would look like?

I used the Import feature, after enhancing precision to the maximum in the editor, followed the simple prompts, and then generated the VE and this was what came up. i notice in the chart view of the VE table, i can select LS1/2/3 format in 1/2/3 bar configurations, but no LS7 style. Is the LS3 format the one i want, or LS2? i also changed the cylinder displacement to .875 like in the editor file, but that didn't seem to change much. Any ideas what i did wrong, if anything?

Thanks

[2000_SS]

....and when i have more than $20 in my bank account i'll send some money , thanks for the excellent tool

[Bluecat]

I really want to thank everyone for the support and especially those who sent their support via paypal, lol If I can ever get caught up enough at the shop to start going to national events again, maybe I can meet up with some of you guys and buy you a beer. I really appreciate it.

I was in the same boat as everyone else when these style ecms came out. Since I had no other option than to make my own way to get the job done, I figured I'd share it with everyone else. Even though I had my software out before EFI live or anyone else had an actual public release, I really though mine would be a temp solution. I figured it would be a matter of days before HP Tuners included somthing similar in their editor. Had I known it would still be our only option some five and half years later... I might have done it a little different than freeware, lol.

[Bluecat]

Why did you never answer my emails when I was asking about including your tools in my professional training DVDs? I was prepared to pay you for the rights to include it in my instruction, but I got no response whatsoever. As a result, I was forced to leave it out and I still get people asking me for training on HPTuners/Bluecat integration and calibration.

I applaud your efforts. This program is a big piece of what is absolutely required in order to properly calibrate the newer GM controllers/engines. I only wish that Ken/Keith/Chris realize just how much you bailed them out by making this. Without it, their software's usefulness on new ECUs drops remarkably.

My apologies and most certainly my loss of not making a connection with you. After I got going good and started getting some national attention things starting snowballing out of control for me. Everything got to big, to fast and I couldn't keep up. For the past two years I've literally been closed to the public trying to get back to a normal state. But I don't do well telling people no, so I got to the point where I just quit answering the phone to unknown numbers and quit checking email. I've got some of the best customers in the world, and just my top ones that I can't say no to keep me busy 24/7. And I can't even take care of all them. So instead of making smart business decisions and expanding or such, I just keep plugging along scheduling only one tune a day.

Anyway, my ignorance in management has cost me god knows how many customers and obviously some opportunities to meet new people and grow. If your still interested in doing something like you mentioned I'm sure that can be arranged.

[Bluecat]

The update I just pushed up covers several of the ideas thrown out there buy some people to improve the software. I added the ability to scale the clipboard axis data so that scaling a table is an easy task now. I also added the ability to changes the table size and labels based off data saved in the clipboard. I'll discuss more about their usage later and give some examples.

Several of the ideas brought up by ScarabEpic22 have been added. The "TAB" key functionality has been added. The VE windows is now sizable and the auto sizing on table change has been update to reflect the desktop size, not the limit I had in place of 1024 width. My poor spelling was also corrected. I didn't have time yet to address the adding of a new VE table causing the VE form to be brought back to the front over the current form, but I will. I didn't add a separate close button as its not needed and screen real-estate is already a premium. You can Paste the EQ data strait into the program from HPT, but the tables are transposed. Mine run up and down to make them fit, HP Tuners displays them horizontally. Simply click "Transpose Clipboard" before you paste and it will work just fine.

[Bluecat]

...I was playing around with the EQ <> VE tool and the attached pic is what i came up with. Obviously something isn't quite right, or is that what a stock LS7 VE would look like?...

You did everything fine, that's what its supposed to look like. Just like GM's oem VE tables, a lot of the EQ stuff looks pretty rough. Some actually look good, even a few of the VVT ones are very clean and the engineers actually put some love into them.

There is likely an LS7 VE table under Samples that will give you a start in the right direction.

As far as VE format there is no "right" one. There is no format on an EQ setup, so the table type you use is entirely up to you. I personally prefer a LS1 looking table with RPM across the top. I've tuned more GENIII stuff than I have anything else and it just feels more natural to me. I personally hate LS2 tables, even though the MAP across the top is more standard in the GM world. As a result the formats I made and declared LS3 follow those guide lines. The exception is the 1.75 bar and that's because its a HPT custom os format. All the files I save for myself and the examples included that are for EQ based vehicles are in my flavor of "LS3" stuff.

[ZO6_Bryan]

I have a stupid question. Which VE table format should I use for a ZL1 LSA engine file. The only format that works as a histogram for the VCM scanner is a LS1 2 bar format. (VE vs LTFT histogram) The VE table generated looks odd. Am I doing something wrong?

[Bluecat]

Again, you've done everything correct. Your data is fine, just the GM calibration isn't as smooth or pretty as one might like.

You can use any 2-3 bar table format you like. I personally like LS1 2 bar, but any boosted format will work just as well. Even if its not defaultly supplied in the scanner you can add it. The histogram boxes displayed under the VE table is there for that purpose. When you create your custom histogram, you can copy/paste that data into the scanner and use it for the tables bounds. I'm sure there is a how-to about it somewhere on the forum.

[DSteck]

FYI, I love the ability to format my own table without editing a text file.





So... When are the HP Tuners hooks getting added? lol

[Bluecat]

So... When are the HP Tuners hooks getting added? lol

Lol, the only way that part will get any better is if they add it inside of HPT or at least add a button for us that throws all the relative tables on to / off of the clipboard in one big lump.

[ZO6_Bryan]

Again, you've done everything correct. Your data is fine, just the GM calibration isn't as smooth or pretty as one might like.

You can use any 2-3 bar table format you like. I personally like LS1 2 bar, but any boosted format will work just as well. Even if its not defaultly supplied in the scanner you can add it. The histogram boxes displayed under the VE table is there for that purpose. When you create your custom histogram, you can copy/paste that data into the scanner and use it for the tables bounds. I'm sure there is a how-to about it somewhere on the forum.

Thanks that helps. I can create custom histograms, I'm just saying that any VE table format I've tried says it's unsupported by the vehicle platform(ZL1/LSA) except the LS1 2 bar format. So I guess that's what I'll stick with.

[DSteck]

FWIW, I always make my own histograms for E38/E67 applications.

[ScarabEpic22]

The update I just pushed up covers several of the ideas thrown out there buy some people to improve the software. I added the ability to scale the clipboard axis data so that scaling a table is an easy task now. I also added the ability to changes the table size and labels based off data saved in the clipboard. I'll discuss more about their usage later and give some examples.

Several of the ideas brought up by ScarabEpic22 have been added. The "TAB" key functionality has been added. The VE windows is now sizable and the auto sizing on table change has been update to reflect the desktop size, not the limit I had in place of 1024 width. My poor spelling was also corrected. I didn't have time yet to address the adding of a new VE table causing the VE form to be brought back to the front over the current form, but I will. I didn't add a separate close button as its not needed and screen real-estate is already a premium. You can Paste the EQ data strait into the program from HPT, but the tables are transposed. Mine run up and down to make them fit, HP Tuners displays them horizontally. Simply click "Transpose Clipboard" before you paste and it will work just fine.

Cool, I understand completely about the extra buttons and screen real estate. Even my tuning laptop is a 17.3" screen, but I know a lot of people use netbooks/laptops with 10-12" screens so it's important.

Using the Transpose Clipboard works perfectly for me now, can copy coeffs in and out no problem. Wish Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V worked though, but Im an IT guy and am used to keyboard shortcuts for most things.

[MikeOD]

Would it be possible to show the axes and labels on the 3D graph? Sometimes I don't realize I'm looking at it backward from how I thought I was looking at it. Or when selecting a portion of the VE table to do something with the data, can the color on the 3D graph change to help us see that we're highlighting where we want to highlight?