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    STFT Pulling Fuel

    In my tune I am trying to add fuel under light boost while cruising and small accelerations. But all the fuel i add the stft pull it right back out. How can i stop this from happening?

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    Heres my tune also

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    Why are you adding fuel at "light boost"? Are you really at
    positive manifold pressure at cruise? I'd think not. Perhaps
    you ought to be pulling out timing rather than pushing
    fuel. Especially if you're still in closed loop, pushing fuel
    via the VE table is just pushing an error and you're seeing
    the natural response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyblue View Post
    Why are you adding fuel at "light boost"? Are you really at
    positive manifold pressure at cruise? I'd think not. Perhaps
    you ought to be pulling out timing rather than pushing
    fuel. Especially if you're still in closed loop, pushing fuel
    via the VE table is just pushing an error and you're seeing
    the natural response.

    Its not positive at cruise but when it gets around half throttle, when the manifold pressure does exceed vacuum and builds like 5lbs of boost it dont seem to like 14.6 AFR's. I have PE coming in a 2000 now and it took care of the problem but is this the wrong way to go about it???
    Last edited by aaron.amrace; 05-08-2012 at 02:25 PM.

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    Your PE enable TPS is too high. Lower it and raise your PE enable MAP.

    I usually run a histogram that plots TPS over the VE table to see what it takes to get to the high load areas.

    You're also using a 1 bar OS on a boosted car. If you're not going to upgrade to a custom OS, I'd set Dynamic Airflow High RPM Disable to something like 2000 rpm and tune it using just the MAF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nodnarb View Post
    Your PE enable TPS is too high. Lower it and raise your PE enable MAP.

    I usually run a histogram that plots TPS over the VE table to see what it takes to get to the high load areas.

    You're also using a 1 bar OS on a boosted car. If you're not going to upgrade to a custom OS, I'd set Dynamic Airflow High RPM Disable to something like 2000 rpm and tune it using just the MAF.
    Yeah i moved my kpa to like 95 and moved tps down to the 40s and that helped it out alot.

    What exactly am i doing when i move the Dynamic Airflow High Rpm to like 2000? Never really messed with it. I put the maf back in and was able to get some fuel in those funny light acceleration spots.

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    By setting it to 2000 you're disabling the use of the VE table after that rpm.

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    do i leave the WOT max entry disabled? Thanks for all your help

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    I have a dip in AFR when Dyn Cylinder air G/cyl increases but idk what is commanding that fuel. Rpm, Maf, Tps all basically stayed the same but the g/cyl increased and it dropped the AFR from 12.5 to like 10.8. thanks

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    Here it the latest log. This truck is driving me crazy

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    Is the commanded AFR moving, or just the result?

    You don't indicate what MAP is doing. Whenever MAP
    is unsteady, MAF is ignored and you revert to the
    speed density layer. The two may be discrepant at
    the region where this happens.

    Trucks tended to have kooky low burst knock retard
    thresholds (g/cyl/sec, delta dynamic cylinder air mass)
    and if you see a lot of excess retard when you open
    the throttle, or just on hard steady-throttle acceleration,
    this may be bugging. I've seen this dog a '99 truck, and
    when raised to F-body type thresholds it turned into a
    tire-fryer. This ought to not impact AFR readings though
    if you had (say) a persistent misfiring under normal
    conditions, that might spoof the O2 sensor toward the
    lean side, and spark-pull might give you the true AFR
    for the air and fuel being shot. But that would be odd
    at an already enriched fueling position, I'd think.

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    If you look, you're commanding 11.80 and getting anywhere between 9.80 and 11.20. Tuning is what we do to correct this. Make your Actual AFR the same as your Commanded AFR.