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    Quote Originally Posted by RWTD View Post
    My question is, does that particular "stock tune" you're showing have the injector values for that particular injector?
    If directed to me James.
    The car came to me with a RoushCharger on it.
    The original Roush tune when he purchased the car had been wiped out (from my understanding) and the first screen shot is of the one from the first Dyno Shop. The second screen shot is from a Mustang Dyno shop that uses SCT. They both have the same parameters.
    Neither one is from a OE Roush tune to my knowledge.
    I was questioning the injector size from day one.

    I fix that issue with 60 lbs injectors and help from you. Thanks again.

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    I left the customer a message to check his injectors. I'll speak with him about possibly swapping them out. It's kind of bad because the car is just in limbo right now. I'm waiting to hear back from him at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RWTD View Post
    My question is, does that particular "stock tune" you're showing have the injector values for that particular injector?
    Off topic, but your inbox is full lol.

    Could you PM me what you think about Sniper tuning software?

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    Sniper = waste of money. It's not complete. You'd be better off with SCT.
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    Noted. I'll go with SCT.

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    OK, update.

    I called Roush, and he looked up both a part number and a design. It is a Delphi injector, it's 28111135 multec 3.5 max. I'm trying to find a way to contact Delphi, unless someone has more information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDrezzUp View Post
    From a tuning perspective, are the FRPP 80# (part no. M-9593-LU80) injectors identical to the Siemens Mototron 80# (part no. 110324) injectors?

    I.e. if you had Greg's DVD would the FRPP 80# injector settings work perfectly for the Siemens Mototron 80# injectors? Or would buying the FRPP 80# injectors (plus necessary harness adapters to make them work on a LS1) be necessary?
    Does anyone know the answer to this? I am wondering the same thing. My Siemens Mototron 80's arrive today.

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    ^^^ well I think I can answer this one on my own. NOPE! they are different.

    Was worth a shot though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDrezzUp View Post
    From a tuning perspective, are the FRPP 80# (part no. M-9593-LU80) injectors identical to the Siemens Mototron 80# (part no. 110324) injectors?

    I.e. if you had Greg's DVD would the FRPP 80# injector settings work perfectly for the Siemens Mototron 80# injectors? Or would buying the FRPP 80# injectors (plus necessary harness adapters to make them work on a LS1) be necessary?
    Quote Originally Posted by sput View Post
    Does anyone know the answer to this? I am wondering the same thing. My Siemens Mototron 80's arrive today.
    Guys, yes, they are 100% identical. You can buy them from www.Racetronix.com in either connector (Minitimer or USCAR), and the great thing is that they flow-match them. Only $399!

    Quote Originally Posted by sput View Post
    ^^^ well I think I can answer this one on my own. NOPE! they are different.

    Was worth a shot though.
    No, they are NOT different! They are 100% identical. I answered this in another thread already.
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    Interesting because I used the data from Gregs DVD for those injectors on my car and my god it was off by a LOT. Scaling the MAF did nothing to fix it either. I fired it up and it was .75 lambda

    I must have done something wrong

    Thanks for the correct info.
    Last edited by sput; 09-21-2009 at 09:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sput View Post
    Interesting because I used the data from Gregs DVD for those injectors on my car and my god it was off by a LOT. Scaling the MAF did nothing to fix it either. I fired it up and it was .75 lambda

    I must have done something wrong

    Thanks for the correct info.
    These are Ford parameters I'm giving, FWIW. Greg's are for GM only.

    I do notice you have some very wild units for your factory injector calibration on that vehicle, at least in the beta I'm using.
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    still very confusing here. Can someone explain to me please. I have 99' ls1 and installed these injectors Siemens DEKA IV ( DEKA 4 ) Mototron 60lb/hour High Impedance Injectors part nr FI114961 I bought Gregs dvd and he has tall SD 60# injectors part nr M-9593-LU60 with EV6 Connector data and also he has small SD 60# injectors part nr. FI114962 Deka IV Minitimer Connector. Which data to use?
    also in hp tunners my IFR table goes from 0 to 80 in step of 5. in Gregs dvd data is in step of 10, so i am missing half of data.
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    You are in the wrong forum. This has been explained multiple times in the Gen 3 & Gen 4 sections.

    You use the tall data from his DVD if you actually have the talls. The connector doesn't matter whatsoever. You input all the data you can, per 10 kPa, then you use the interpolate command between the cells you don't have data for (do NOT interpolate the entire IFR table at once between 0 and 80). i.e. highlight from 0 to 10, hit interpolate, and viola, your 5 kPa cell will generate automatically for you.

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    whats up with the ford green tops? they are rated at 42lbs, but the calibration is set at 39.15lbs.. If this is the case, I might as well use the calibration information from the "Roush Injectors" that everyones talking about? Or is there something else that I'm missing...

    The truck I'm tuning this on has a GT500 pump, so how would this effect the pressure output??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trailblazin' View Post
    whats up with the ford green tops? they are rated at 42lbs, but the calibration is set at 39.15lbs.. If this is the case, I might as well use the calibration information from the "Roush Injectors" that everyones talking about? Or is there something else that I'm missing...

    The truck I'm tuning this on has a GT500 pump, so how would this effect the pressure output??
    That is very funny

    You are screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Well maybe someone with SCT can loan you a hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RWTD View Post
    Siemens (Continental) 60# Injectors
    (data below is for use in HPT format)

    Flow Rate Low: 63.1872

    Flow Rate High: 60.26760

    Breakpoint: 0.0000336300
    Note: You will need the latest beta of HPT in order to input this value, otherwise 2.22x will round up the data in this parameter, and you do NOT want this to happen!

    PW Minimum: 0.94985963
    Note: Ford Racing's data will have you use 1.391. HPT's 2.23 Beta is currently only allowing for a max of 1.0. I've a bug report to HPT to fix this. HOWEVER, many of us tuners have found that 0.94985963 works better for these injectors you're using anyway, and that is why I listed such above.
    I got my friend to buy these for his F150 so we could tune his injector calibration in right. When i do as said, the ETC acts as if its dead and the motor stutters with a very rich idle, but idle trims show 0-40mz. Pops at very low loads.

    He also has a GT500 pump installed, how would this effect flow rate?

    I set the injectors to 42lbs just to see what would happen and I'm running -2% at idle and -6% at light cruise. At wot the motor just goes crazy lean, and starts popping. It looks as if half the injectors on Bank 1 stop working!? I've set my higher MAF freq to almost 3x the stock settings and no difference.

    Any idea's what to look for mechanically?

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    Does anyone have the 'correct' info for the Bosch 968 injectors that seem to be a common upgrade?

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    I wanted to bump this thread since it dealt with injector data. I see that you all are inputing the injector offset vs. voltage as a decemal. It seems to me that the units are off in HPTuners because the data provided from Ford for instance on the 39lb injectors are:

    Code:
    Volts	PW Offset (mS)
    6.00	4.413
    7.00	3.148
    8.00	2.303
    9.00	1.911
    10.00	1.579
    11.00	1.351
    12.00	1.177
    13.00	1.037
    13.50	0.963
    14.00	0.904
    15.00	0.821
    15.90	0.780
    But to get it to work right under Milliseconds in HPTuners you need to input this:
    Code:
    Volts	PW Offset (mS)
    6.00	0.004413
    7.00	0.003148
    8.00	0.002303
    9.00	0.001911
    10.00	0.001579
    11.00	0.001351
    12.00	0.001177
    13.00	0.001037
    13.50	0.000963
    14.00	0.000904
    15.00	0.000821
    15.90	0.000780
    Are the units wrong on that table?
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    See this thread mate

    http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33544

    Your quite right they are out by a factor of 1000
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    It took me a while to figure it out because I got the car in and was the first Ford I had to tune so I inputed all the injector data from Fords website into the editor and instantly flooded and fouled the plugs. I then started my normal process of elimination since it would start and run on the stock tune and found that the voltage offset's were significantly off so I determined the decemal point needed moved 3 spots to give a similar range of numbers as compared to stock. Talk about racking my brain for a while... still have issues however cause it's a vortec V2 supercharged car and it's losing fuel pressure under boost... so I've gotta check out the pump's in the tank and start another process of elimination.
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