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    Low torque

    Dynod my car todays and It made decent HP but was very low for torque, any ideas? Graph & tune attached....

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    Well, you're about a ratio rich according to the dyno. 12.0 AFR is great for blowers/turbos but sucks for NA cars.
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    I think they call that " on the vurge of washing the cylinders" no?

    The motor is bogging due to the extra fuel, then can kinda start to get caught up in the upper rpm where you see the decent hp. Leaner out!
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    Yea your commanding 11.68, that is really rich. That is what I had for a nitrous tune. I would imagine that you would have little more left in that.
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    well...it looks to me from the curve that it is most likely a fueling issue...
    you need a wideband to figure this out..
    should have made a pull with the dyno wideband for a sanity check
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    command a leaner AFR 12.8 or so, and put some timing in the tune around peak torque. You should be able to take about 3-5ยบ in some spots
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    Quote Originally Posted by colamotas
    Yea your commanding 11.68, that is really rich. That is what I had for a nitrous tune. I would imagine that you would have little more left in that.
    The car is gofing to be ruinning a pretty healthy shot, I was just expecting more out of it N/A (440 or so).

    now here is the really weird thing. I had my fuel trims all in line just like WS6 told me (very close to 0 on LTFT) then I took it to the track and it maxed them out WTF?

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    here is a log from the drive to the dyno shop and then a log from the track with the EXACT same tune

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    no wideband..no accuracy..

    your Stock O2's are unreliable and inaccurate with any mods at all...
    if you used narrow band O2's to do WOT then theres no telling what you have going on...
    anything outside of the stock heat range(and that means ANY MODS AT ALL...including just a lid) will skew the readings yor narrowband O2's get...
    the whole reason theres not just one generic O2 you can buy is because they are built and calibrated to operate at your vehicles stock heat range as it came off teh showroom floor....anything diferent makes them pretty much useless..

    also if you re seeing trimmng different from day today then its possible(and most likely) that you have only a partial tune...many more tables than just VE and MAF and Spark
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    Quote Originally Posted by soundengineer
    no wideband..no accuracy..

    your Stock O2's are unreliable and inaccurate with any mods at all...
    if you used narrow band O2's to do WOT then theres no telling what you have going on...
    anything outside of the stock heat range(and that means ANY MODS AT ALL...including just a lid) will skew the readings yor narrowband O2's get...
    the whole reason theres not just one generic O2 you can buy is because they are built and calibrated to operate at your vehicles stock heat range as it came off teh showroom floor....anything diferent makes them pretty much useless..

    also if you re seeing trimmng different from day today then its possible(and most likely) that you have only a partial tune...many more tables than just VE and MAF and Spark
    I guess I dont understand something there....

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    Your IFR table is too high, setting it right will lower the LTFT's by ~15%. The LTFT map & rpm boundary table is still stock. Your commanded afr is 11.74, that is very rich. Is your maf plugged in?

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    yea I am running 42s and your IFR table is off from mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ K
    Your IFR table is too high, setting it right will lower the LTFT's by ~15%. The LTFT map & rpm boundary table is still stock. Your commanded afr is 11.74, that is very rich. Is your maf plugged in?

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    IFR is too high? I used a spread sheet posted back in this thread to set it up
    http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8334
    Could you post the correct IFR table for me?
    MAF is plugged in the thing I dont understand is under the same conditions the car ran great in the morning then at night like a dog (near same temps out).

    I know it is commanding rich and I will back that off with the next tune that goes in,

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    Quote Originally Posted by colamotas
    yea I am running 42s and your IFR table is off from mine.
    can you post urs?

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    This is how I had to set the IFR for the 42# injectors in a 2001 Firehawk. You may have to rescale the Maf table after, because your Maf table is higher than stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ K
    This is how I had to set the IFR for the 42# injectors in a 2001 Firehawk. You may have to rescale the Maf table after, because your Maf table is higher than stock.

    Russ Kemp
    Thanks Russ...
    I guess I was confused since the SVO's are rated at 43.5 and our cars run the higher pressure