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    Quote Originally Posted by allen vos View Post
    dont be like this loser ed lol
    lol....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Vos View Post
    Apparently good old fashioned diagnosis is something he is not capable of.
    This is a good one since I've been an ASE master tech since 1993 and L1 since 1996.

    Keep on though. Whatcha got?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtstorey View Post
    Caution me? That would indicate consequences. Not sure what those would be. I'll weigh in as I see fit. I didn't call your tune shit, I'm not qualified to say whether its's good or not. But I'm smart enough to believe Ed.
    So why are you even here on my post then?

    I don't really know you and have no beef with you, but surely you can see Ed is all talk and I have more than once proved him wrong.

    I will say it again. This is a public forum where people look for help.

    That why I am here.

    I'm sick and tired of hearing Ed babble about how great he is and how he would just put the tune back to stock and start over, Yet offers zero insight as too what could be wrong.

    That's just being a condescending asshole and nothing more.

    I've called him out on this several times in my post and guess what.

    He doesn't respond to that.

    Kind of proves he's full of shit.

    Truth is , he doesn't know or he would have said something.

    Is there a way to block people on here like Facebook? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Vos View Post
    So why are you even here on my post then?

    I don't really know you and have no beef with you, but surely you can see Ed is all talk and I have more than once proved him wrong.

    I will say it again. This is a public forum where people look for help.

    That why I am here.

    I'm sick and tired of hearing Ed babble about how great he is and how he would just put the tune back to stock and start over, Yet offers zero insight as too what could be wrong.

    That's just being a condescending asshole and nothing more.

    I've called him out on this several times in my post and guess what.

    He doesn't respond to that.

    Kind of proves he's full of shit.

    Truth is , he doesn't know or he would have said something.

    Is there a way to block people on here like Facebook? lol
    Put it back to stock and start over. You have sucked so far. You've changed shit you shouldn't have.

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    Let me be clear, my idiot, working from a base file, I could make it run better, without the pesky off idle surge, with far less changes. And I won't show you because you're an asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edcmat-l1 View Post
    This is a good one since I've been an ASE master tech since 1993 and L1 since 1996.

    Keep on though. Whatcha got?
    You really enjoy talking about yourself don't you?

    Prolly makes you feel better about yourself lol

    What do I got? lol

    Been a licensed technician up here in Canada for 25 years which is pretty much equivalent to your ASE certification.

    Plus an inter provincial seal which you only get with 80% plus passing rate.

    Plus was involved in the Ontario drive clean program until they canned it with emissions diagnostics, very few people were smart enough to pass that one up here.

    So when I see assholes like you who can help but choose not too, I call them out on their shit.

    I'm just glad I don't treat people that want my help the way you do lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by edcmat-l1 View Post
    Put it back to stock and start over. You have sucked so far. You've changed shit you shouldn't have.
    Keep talking asshole. You have nothing but your talk and you just don't know what you are doing otherwise you would have indicated that prior to me calling you out on your shit.

    Keep in mind, this is a minor hiccup. Car runs great otherwise, So I must know something lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by edcmat-l1 View Post
    Let me be clear, my idiot, working from a base file, I could make it run better, without the pesky off idle surge, with far less changes. And I won't show you because you're an asshole.
    This only proves your a stubborn jackass
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by edcmat-l1 View Post
    Put it back to stock and start over. You have sucked so far. You've changed shit you shouldn't have.
    This just proves you simply don't read my posts and want to talk about your own shit.

    I did put things back to stock, but no change.

    Your to blind to read that though lol

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    You're an idiot. Simple as that. I do this everyday, I don't have this problem. But you go ahead and keep bashing me. I'll go ahead and keep doing what I'm doing which yields great results.

    This ain't some secret shit. It's very basic. You just don't want to hear it.

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    I’m here to learn, and I’ve tried to help too. You seem to think because something is there, it should be messed with. And that we can see how everything interacts. This isn’t the case. Just because Ed cannot tell you exactly what you changed that caused your problems doesn’t mean that he doesn’t know what he is talking about. No one outside of the oem designers would know how all of the tables that are unseen work together. What everyone knows that have been doing this a long time is learned by reverse engineering it. Basically what you are doing now, but they were willing to scrap a tune and start over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edcmat-l1 View Post
    You're an idiot. Simple as that. I do this everyday, I don't have this problem. But you go ahead and keep bashing me. I'll go ahead and keep doing what I'm doing which yields great results.

    This ain't some secret shit. It's very basic. You just don't want to hear it.
    I'm an idiot? lol

    Your the one who didn't even have my tune and started making assumptions I needed to change this and that back to stock.

    What kind of idiot does that? lol

    Even though I repeatedly told you I had put them back to stock and no change.

    What good would starting over do if I have to tune it the same way and end up with the same result?

    You come on here and make "Blanket" Statements that I should do this and that but don't back them up with an explanation.

    You told me to turn off spark smoothing which has nothing to do with my issue.

    Hell!!! you prolly didn't even look at my log

    Your extremely lazy when it comes to helping others on here and it shows. It seems you come on here for your own self gratification and its prolly the only place where you think people will treat you like a god lol

    Point and Case, you have been absolutely no help to me whatsoever with anything you have posted in the past few months.

    Then you run the conversation in circles, completely side stepping anything I have said or proven and you continue to blabber abouit how good you think you are.

    I think we all know who the idiot is.

    Hint. It aint me lol

    Your just pissed because I have the balls to come on here and call you out on your BS.

    Maybe next time, stay the fuck off my post.

    Prolly better for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtstorey View Post
    I’m here to learn, and I’ve tried to help too. You seem to think because something is there, it should be messed with. And that we can see how everything interacts. This isn’t the case. Just because Ed cannot tell you exactly what you changed that caused your problems doesn’t mean that he doesn’t know what he is talking about. No one outside of the oem designers would know how all of the tables that are unseen work together. What everyone knows that have been doing this a long time is learned by reverse engineering it. Basically what you are doing now, but they were willing to scrap a tune and start over.
    Then I think Ed should stay the hell off my post if he doesn't know what caused my problems.

    Who says I think because something is there , it should be messed with?

    I never ever said that nor implied that.

    Just because I'm on here asking questions, that does not mean I want to change everything.

    Its called learning and wanting to understand.

    Have I changed things and made mistakes? Fucking right I have and I'm not ashamed to admit it. But I learned from my mistakes and wont make them again.

    There isn't one person on here that hasn't made mistakes and learned from it.

    There isn't really much wrong with my tune except this small glitch. Its not even a huge deal. Its something that can be just left alone and I may just do that as it seems no one can figure it out. The car starts, runs and drives pretty much perfect with zero drivability issues. This was with the help of others on here and no help from the two of you, and that speaks volumes as both of you would rather just argue about shit than help.

    Scrapping this tune would be the dumbest thing ever, most people would just figure it out but you go ahead and listen to what Ed says.

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    Well. First is to quit picking a fight with a guy trying to help, even though Ed can be a little "straight forward", lol. I can't remember your set-up but is it more or less a Stock longblock with a cam? Id say dial in your MAF, VVE, like really dial it in with a ton of filters. Once you are absolutely confident in your fueling, then dive into timing a little bit. Now this is what is different about most veteran tuners vs OEM, you can start messing with the VTT APC side to get your idle torque to something more realistic, ie 5-40 Ftlbs. IF, you still have issues with rev and return to idle, then you start to adjust throttle follower, whether it be you increase the torque values, but also reduce the step values. Disabling spark smoothing is pretty common practice also.

    Sidenote: When you make a change, post the new tune along with the corresponding log, then someone can try to help a little better.
    Sidenote 2: Fueling adjustments for the Idle cells of the VVE are skewed while the vehicle is at idle, in other words try to dial your trims while under load while hitting those cells, not in park/neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Vos View Post

    Show me what's wrong with my tune.
    OK, if you insist. It takes 3 screen shots, literally.

    And just to be clear for our readers following along, this is a C6 6.2 with a mild cam and headers.

    Change log 1.jpg

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    And another pic of Dave's 55 cuz I'm super proud of that and I just wanna gloat because I know it makes your head spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Vos View Post
    This just proves you simply don't read my posts and want to talk about your own shit.

    I did put things back to stock, but no change.

    Your to blind to read that though lol
    Clearly I'm the idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edcmat-l1 View Post
    OK, if you insist. It takes 3 screen shots, literally.

    And just to be clear for our readers following along, this is a C6 6.2 with a mild cam and headers.

    Change log 1.jpg

    Change Log 2.jpg

    Change Log 3.jpg

    And another pic of Dave's 55 cuz I'm super proud of that and I just wanna gloat because I know it makes your head spin.

    the-virus-dave-linns-sick-pro-street-1955-chevy-bel-air-2024-03-19_12-38-15_453693-310x207.jpg
    BRAVO!!!! LMAO!!!

    You have merely shown us all a comparison of a stock file to my tune. I can see you have passed kindergarten lol

    Are you that stupid???? You still haven't shown me or anyone whats wrong with my tune.

    As usual you are here flapping your gums off hoping BS baffles brains.

    Your literally insinuating that I should just slap a cam in my car and not change anything??

    This is a tuning forum you jack ass. Things get changed.

    So I'm inclined to agree with your statement of "Clearly, I'm the idiot" LMFAO

    When you grow up and actually know what's wrong with my tune then you may post what's actually wrong instead of posting nonsense and looking like an even bigger idiot.

    And you call yourself a proffesional? Bahhaaaaa!!!! LMFAO!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Vos View Post
    BRAVO!!!! LMAO!!!

    You have merely shown us all a comparison of a stock file to my tune. I can see you have passed kindergarten lol

    Are you that stupid???? You still haven't shown me or anyone whats wrong with my tune.

    As usual you are here flapping your gums off hoping BS baffles brains.

    Your literally insinuating that I should just slap a cam in my car and not change anything??

    This is a tuning forum you jack ass. Things get changed.

    So I'm inclined to agree with your statement of "Clearly, I'm the idiot" LMFAO

    When you grow up and actually know what's wrong with my tune then you may post what's actually wrong instead of posting nonsense and looking like an even bigger idiot.

    And you call yourself a proffesional? Bahhaaaaa!!!! LMFAO!!
    Are you off your medication?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Vos View Post
    BRAVO!!!! LMAO!!!

    You have merely shown us all a comparison of a stock file to my tune. I can see you have passed kindergarten lol

    Are you that stupid???? You still haven't shown me or anyone whats wrong with my tune.

    As usual you are here flapping your gums off hoping BS baffles brains.

    Your literally insinuating that I should just slap a cam in my car and not change anything??

    This is a tuning forum you jack ass. Things get changed.

    So I'm inclined to agree with your statement of "Clearly, I'm the idiot" LMFAO

    When you grow up and actually know what's wrong with my tune then you may post what's actually wrong instead of posting nonsense and looking like an even bigger idiot.

    And you call yourself a proffesional? Bahhaaaaa!!!! LMFAO!!
    I don't think you get it. I KNOW you don't get it. That's an insane amount of changes for a mild cam. This is a tuning forum and you done did way too much toonin. You need to undo some of your toonin. The problem you're having is self inflicted. It wouldn't be doing that on a completely bone stock toon.

    You can keep on LMFAO you're the one who doesn't know what he's doing. You trying to laugh at me only makes you look like more of an idiot than you are.

    I'll say it again, not sure why it's so hard to comprehend. Sometimes you have to go backward to move forward. Sometimes you have to undo stuff. This is your first car. How can you not grasp that you've done some shit to cause this problem?

    I get cars all the time that have funky problems like this. The fix is always the same thing. Flash it back to stock, start over with just the basic tables. And you know what? Always, as in, well, always, these problems go away. Like majik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edcmat-l1 View Post
    I don't think you get it. I KNOW you don't get it. That's an insane amount of changes for a mild cam. This is a tuning forum and you done did way too much toonin. You need to undo some of your toonin. The problem you're having is self inflicted. It wouldn't be doing that on a completely bone stock toon.

    You can keep on LMFAO you're the one who doesn't know what he's doing. You trying to laugh at me only makes you look like more of an idiot than you are.

    I'll say it again, not sure why it's so hard to comprehend. Sometimes you have to go backward to move forward. Sometimes you have to undo stuff. This is your first car. How can you not grasp that you've done some shit to cause this problem?

    I get cars all the time that have funky problems like this. The fix is always the same thing. Flash it back to stock, start over with just the basic tables. And you know what? Always, as in, well, always, these problems go away. Like majik.
    I will say it again, If you think you are so smart, tell us all why i have the small hiccup I do??

    Funny how you say you wont, when I believe the real truth is you cant or don't know lol

    But you keep on talking bud. This is a help forum and you have done nothing to help me so kindly fuck right off.

    No one cares about how many cars you think you have tuned. It comes down to your shitty attitude why people dont wanna deal with you.

    I remember last time you tried to compare my file you compared it to a Z06 which wasn't even my car. Real professional bud.lol Seems like you really don't have a fucking clue

    There are other tuners on here who have guided me through this and recommended I change all the very tables you say I shouldn't have.

    People like Ghuggins, Hjturbo, Cringer. They have all been a huge help to me and have netted me positive results for the most part and fixed 90% of my issues, which is more than I can say for you.

    All 3 of these guys are miles ahead of you. I've seen you try to correct them as well and guess what? No one pays attention to you lol

    I cant wait until we all figure out my small hiccup so I can rub your fn nose in it lol

    Learn to read dipshit and stay off my post unless you actually have something useful to post besides your usual shit.

    I've seen you pick fights with numerous people on here and I'm the only one with a set of balls that will stand up to your useless BS

    You seem to forget my car runs absolutely amazing now in every which way with the exception of this small hiccup which at some point I will solve.

    None of this, and I repeat......... none of this was accomplished with your help.

    That should speaks volumes, yet you cant find any actual fault with my tune.

    Yet here you go spouting off like the retard you really are