Snake Eater Performance 1500cc

[KFXGUY]

I was going to go with SEP’s in my car because I have deka 80’s currently and I want to step up a bit…..but I’m not liking the feedback on the sep’s in this thread. I’ve had deka 60’s and 80’s and they have worked flawlessly. Anything else that’s on the deka level that isn’t an arm and a leg? I know ID offers some stuff but I’m not spending a grand on injectors. I don’t have $$$ like that.

[edcmat-l1]

I was going to go with SEP’s in my car because I have deka 80’s currently and I want to step up a bit…..but I’m not liking the feedback on the sep’s in this thread. I’ve had deka 60’s and 80’s and they have worked flawlessly. Anything else that’s on the deka level that isn’t an arm and a leg? I know ID offers some stuff but I’m not spending a grand on injectors. I don’t have $$$ like that.

IDs are personal first choice but I understand not everyone is going to want to drop that kinda cash. I've tuned plenty of FICs and Deautchwerks injectors and both seem to work well.

Whatever you buy, stay away from anything for sale on either Ebay or Amazon. Especially if the price is way too good to be true. There's a lot of counterfeit injectors out there right now.

[KFXGUY]

IDs are personal first choice but I understand not everyone is going to want to drop that kinda cash. I've tuned plenty of FICs and Deautchwerks injectors and both seem to work well.

Whatever you buy, stay away from anything for sale on either Ebay or Amazon. Especially if the price is way too good to be true. There's a lot of counterfeit injectors out there right now.

O I know. Every time I have to buy injectors, I have an anxiety attack. I do a lot of research to make sure I’m getting genuine whatever I’m looking at. I really don’t want to buy more injectors, but I’m running up past 22psi boost on a heads/cam 5.3 and my duty cycle is 90% on pump gas. I am running it a little rich (10.6-10.8) but it likes it that way for some reason.

[Bullet300]

O I know. Every time I have to buy injectors, I have an anxiety attack. I do a lot of research to make sure I’m getting genuine whatever I’m looking at. I really don’t want to buy more injectors, but I’m running up past 22psi boost on a heads/cam 5.3 and my duty cycle is 90% on pump gas. I am running it a little rich (10.6-10.8) but it likes it that way for some reason.

I ended up getting a really good deal on a set of id2000's. Will get me to where I want to be with room to grow.

[Bullet300]

Also. For those interested. The 1500s I was going to try were Sep og. Chinese injectors. The reason why I decided to steer clear. That being said there Pro series injectors are Bosch units and look like a very viable option with solid provided data. I was almost going to but a set before the ID's presented themselves.

[edcmat-l1]

I ended up getting a really good deal on a set of id2000's. Will get me to where I want to be with room to grow.

Keep in mind even though they're high quality injectors with high quality data, a 2000cc injector is very hard to dial in at idle. I've done several sets in GM vehicles. It ain't no cake walk. It's not as easy as plug in the data and go.

My MO is use the smallest injector possible without maxing it out. Especially if it is a real street driven car that spends most of it's time idling or in lower RPM operation.

Dialing in a 2000cc injector at idle is like trying to fill a shot glass with a fire hose.

[KFXGUY]

Keep in mind even though they're high quality injectors with high quality data, a 2000cc injector is very hard to dial in at idle. I've done several sets in GM vehicles. It ain't no cake walk. It's not as easy as plug in the data and go.

My MO is use the smallest injector possible without maxing it out. Especially if it is a real street driven car that spends most of it's time idling or in lower RPM operation.

Dialing in a 2000cc injector at idle is like trying to fill a shot glass with a fire hose.

So say I want to run e85. I have 80’s now that are getting close to being maxed. This is a sometimes daily car. It has to idle good and I get caught in traffic a lot. Should I go with 1500’s? Is there an idle problem with those? I may not even do it, I may just keep it on pump gas and build a more powerful engine to make the extra power. The reality in my mind is, it’s more feasible to build the aluminum 5.7 sitting on my engine stand than to spend $1500 on injectors. I could build that engine for about that since I already have the forged pistons. Yea it’s more work than swapping injectors. But I just don’t see $1700 worth of injectors when they ask that much. Just don’t sit well with me.

[gtstorey]

So say I want to run e85. I have 80’s now that are getting close to being maxed. This is a sometimes daily car. It has to idle good and I get caught in traffic a lot. Should I go with 1500’s? Is there an idle problem with those? I may not even do it, I may just keep it on pump gas and build a more powerful engine to make the extra power. The reality in my mind is, it’s more feasible to build the aluminum 5.7 sitting on my engine stand than to spend $1500 on injectors. I could build that engine for about that since I already have the forged pistons. Yea it’s more work than swapping injectors. But I just don’t see $1700 worth of injectors when they ask that much. Just don’t sit well with me.

I'm not sure where building the more powerful engine comes into the discussion. It still comes down to basically the difference in max and min flow rate. The smaller the difference is the easier it is to tune. And since the amount that is required at idle is pretty fixed you want to go with just enough injector on the WOT side. Of course this is why vacuum referenced regulators exist.

[edcmat-l1]

So say I want to run e85. I have 80’s now that are getting close to being maxed. This is a sometimes daily car. It has to idle good and I get caught in traffic a lot. Should I go with 1500’s? Is there an idle problem with those? I may not even do it, I may just keep it on pump gas and build a more powerful engine to make the extra power. The reality in my mind is, it’s more feasible to build the aluminum 5.7 sitting on my engine stand than to spend $1500 on injectors. I could build that engine for about that since I already have the forged pistons. Yea it’s more work than swapping injectors. But I just don’t see $1700 worth of injectors when they ask that much. Just don’t sit well with me.

I know their price makes you cringe, but the best injectors you can buy that would fit your requirements are ID1300s. Their X version are a new design. They work incredibly well and tune incredibly well/easy for the size.

[Bullet300]

So say I want to run e85. I have 80’s now that are getting close to being maxed. This is a sometimes daily car. It has to idle good and I get caught in traffic a lot. Should I go with 1500’s? Is there an idle problem with those? I may not even do it, I may just keep it on pump gas and build a more powerful engine to make the extra power. The reality in my mind is, it’s more feasible to build the aluminum 5.7 sitting on my engine stand than to spend $1500 on injectors. I could build that engine for about that since I already have the forged pistons. Yea it’s more work than swapping injectors. But I just don’t see $1700 worth of injectors when they ask that much. Just don’t sit well with me.

Currently i have a set of FIC1200s. They have been great. Easy to tune and work very well. Only reason i am wanting to upgrade is that i am at 95% Duty

[Bullet300]

Keep in mind even though they're high quality injectors with high quality data, a 2000cc injector is very hard to dial in at idle. I've done several sets in GM vehicles. It ain't no cake walk. It's not as easy as plug in the data and go.

My MO is use the smallest injector possible without maxing it out. Especially if it is a real street driven car that spends most of it's time idling or in lower RPM operation.

Dialing in a 2000cc injector at idle is like trying to fill a shot glass with a fire hose.

I am currently tuning a car with Bosch 210s and have it idling stable 750rpm on a vortech v7 car. I am hoping with the better data and smother charachteristics of the ID2000s it should be easier.

[edcmat-l1]

I am currently tuning a car with Bosch 210s and have it idling stable 750rpm on a vortech v7 car. I am hoping with the better data and smother charachteristics of the ID2000s it should be easier.

That's pretty cool. If you're doing it yourself it sounds like you know what you're doing. Would love to see a data log. Would never ask to the see the tune file but would like to see a data log.

[Bullet300]

That's pretty cool. If you're doing it yourself it sounds like you know what you're doing. Would love to see a data log. Would never ask to the see the tune file but would like to see a data log.

Fired my car up with no issues with the supplied ID data.. Started and idled perfect. Once ut was running i had to pull 14% fuel from where i estimated for e85. Have trims within 5% now and just need to trim in WOT. Just waiting for a new 3 bar map sensor before i do that.

[fixit]

i've had bad experience with SEP1500's on my daily (idling around .5ms) (4cyl) 93
e85 is tolerable
WOT is fine (flow tested good)
for a while sep was doing a buy back of injectors (@50% of purchase) towards SEP branded genuine bosch (tempting)

i swapped in id1300's and they idle perfectly