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    4L65E Flare shift

    Hey, everyone, I have a RPM built stage 6 4L65E that is flare/soft shifting through the gears. I put a pressure gauge on it and my readings are
    Park hot: 60psi
    Reverse not moving: 90psi
    Reverse moving: 120psi max
    Cruise: 90psi
    Part throttle shifting: 120psi
    WOT shifting: 220psi
    Here's my data log and tune also thanks guys
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    Hopefully someone else can read your tune and tell you what is wrong, that's not my strong side. But the transmission is shifting soft (I did not really see any flare in the log) because the line pressure is not commanded high enough for the load. It barely raise line unless you get really heavy footed.
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    Thanks for looking at it TransGo Robert does my line pressure seem right? I called RPM but no one in tech answered, so I had to leave a message

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    If you mean in your write up for this issue yes but of course it all depends at what was done internally. Stock forward you should have ~60 psi at idle and ~200 psi at tall. In reverse it will be ~120 and ~300 psi. I did see you had a sensor connected to it as well, not sure if that was a pressure transducer or not. It was labeled as MPVI2.1 -> AEM 30-(03x0, 2340,5130) and I did not know what to make of it. But one thing for sure, the amperage command for the pressure control solenoid is not right, it does not raise line pressure enough under normal acceleration.
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    This is what was done by RPM
    Media Blast Transmission Case
    RPM Level VI 3-4 Clutch Pack
    RPM Reinforced Sunshell with Collar and Bearing
    4L65E Low Roller Clutch
    Billet 4th Gear Servo
    Transgo HD-2 Shift Kit
    Corvette Servo
    Wide 2-4 Band
    Updated Aluminum Accumulator Piston
    Bushing Kit
    New Shift Solenoids
    New GM Valve Body Spacer Plate
    GM Filter
    RPM Spec Clutch and Band Clearances
    Seal & Gasket Kit
    RPM Sleeved Input Drum
    Billet Over-Run Piston
    GM 5 Pinion Planetary Gearsets – Front and Rear
    Extra Wide, Heavy Duty, Double Caged 29 Element Sprag
    300m Billet Output Shaft
    Dyno-Tested
    The AEM is my wide band

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Finley View Post
    This is what was done by RPM
    Media Blast Transmission Case
    RPM Level VI 3-4 Clutch Pack
    RPM Reinforced Sunshell with Collar and Bearing
    4L65E Low Roller Clutch
    Billet 4th Gear Servo
    Transgo HD-2 Shift Kit
    Corvette Servo
    Wide 2-4 Band
    Updated Aluminum Accumulator Piston
    Bushing Kit
    New Shift Solenoids
    New GM Valve Body Spacer Plate
    GM Filter
    RPM Spec Clutch and Band Clearances
    Seal & Gasket Kit
    RPM Sleeved Input Drum
    Billet Over-Run Piston
    GM 5 Pinion Planetary Gearsets – Front and Rear
    Extra Wide, Heavy Duty, Double Caged 29 Element Sprag
    300m Billet Output Shaft
    Dyno-Tested
    The AEM is my wide band
    OK so with our HD2 Reprogramming Kit™ in forward gear you should have 78-84 min and max approx 230-240 psi. Reverse will 120-125 min and max 315-330 psi.
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    So I'm way out of specs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Finley View Post
    So I'm way out of specs
    It depends on what the computer is commanding. With 1 amp you will have minimum line, with 0 amp you will have maximum. Just the pressure by itself is not enough to tell what is wrong or not wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Finley View Post
    Hey, everyone, I have a RPM built stage 6 4L65E that is flare/soft shifting through the gears. I put a pressure gauge on it and my readings are
    Park hot: 60psi
    Reverse not moving: 90psi
    Reverse moving: 120psi max
    Cruise: 90psi
    Part throttle shifting: 120psi
    WOT shifting: 220psi
    Here's my data log and tune also thanks guys

    I'd consider removing TM completely. Its a built trans. It should be able to take it.

    I'd also consider shortening the shift time targets. 0-0.2sec is a good target.
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    Thank you everyone for the comments and ideas the line pressure was turned up, and now on the gauge it reads.
    psi in park and drive was 120,
    psi in reverse and cruise was 150,
    psi at WOT was 220-270 it bounced back and forth pretty fast and was hard to read.
    heres the updated tune and data log
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    anyone have a chance to look at my tune

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    I am not versed in an E40 at all. I think I would raise the upshift pressure for the lower torque value shifts. Atleast start there and see if it responds. Being it still has adapts, have you reset adapts and drive it halfass aggressively so it can relearn? Dont do the fast learn unless you have done it before with hptuners, otherwise a real scanner can do fast learn a lot easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Finley View Post
    anyone have a chance to look at my tune
    Sorry was out of town, just now looked at it. The pressure seems to be commanded ok now while driving it (much better anyway for sure)> can't really tell looking at the log if the shift firmness has improved since yours does not have an input speed sensor so it would be more of a seat of the pants thing than anything else. If you have 120 psi in park then your command is too high under no/light load (should be about 1 amp in Park), but under load it seems ok. Does it feel ok or does it still feel like the shifts are too soft?
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